Zadorov just requested a trade. 😢

[Owen15]

Is there a generally accepted opinion on the 2024 draft class?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Is there a generally accepted opinion on the 2024 draft class?

I've heard average to slightly above.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sign him for what? and is their team better or worse.

I'm not saying they won't get contracts, I am saying they won't get what they are demanding from the Flames

Lindholm won't get 7x9.3
Hanifin won't get 7x7
Zadorov won't get 5 or 6 years and a raise
Tofolli won't get 4-6 years

Why should the Flames pay more?

all IMO

lets see

you can say Toronto has 30M of cap but that is with half a team to sign

It was documented around here a week or two ago, from people with insider sources that Flames offered Hanifin 8x $7.5M~, and the player rejected it during that losing streak. Lindholm also rejected an offer in the 8 year by $8.5M range.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Who says he wants to go to a contender? Maybe he’d be happy on a rebuilding team where he could get top pairing minutes?

I am too lazy to go back in the thread, but one of the insiders mentioned that part of Zadorov's reasoning for wanting a trade is that having lack of team success could hurt his value as a free agent. He was willing to sign an extension with the Flames, but didn't want to risk not getting one and having to hit the market as a player coming off a team that didn't do well.

If true, it would be a gamble for him either way. I get it on one hand, a player like Zadorov can really make his value playing in higher profile games, especially in the playoffs. But going to a team that is a contender probably also means that the team will have a deeper defense.

I have no issue with him wanting to move on for business reasons. I just wish his agent wouldn't have drunk posted on Twitter last night.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Is there a generally accepted opinion on the 2024 draft class?

I asked this before and unless I misunderstood, the draft is expected to be above average at the very top of the 1st round, so like the top 5 to 10 picks or so, but then pretty average after that.

It's really the best situation for teams that are drafting high. In above average drafts that are deep in the 1st round, it's nice that every team might possibly get a great prospect, but teams also aren't gaining ground relative to each other.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Some people refuse to let the past go
They bring Sutter into every thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by camm13

It was documented around here a week or two ago, from people with insider sources that Flames offered Hanifin 8x $7.5M~, and the player rejected it during that losing streak. Lindholm also rejected an offer in the 8 year by $8.5M range.

yikes
so every one of these guys will make less than their Calgary demands, it seems fairly obvious

especially if they "want to win"

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

How did Z get along with Darryl?

Is his ice time significantly down this year?

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its already been reported that the Flames don't want to give him what he is looking for and would prefer a trade

Calgary does not want to give retirement contracts to players currently not getting it done...nor should they

The stories are hilarious but this guy.

He misses sutter the locker room is torn that's why he wants out suddenly.

He's going to write a tell all book once he's out of Calgary about how horrible it is here.

I mean it's not like he's been openly talking about wanting to stay but not being offered a deal. It's fairly evident that he's looking to cash in and doesn't care if it's a winning team or not.

Then timing of it all lines up with them trying to sandbag Conroy and make him out to be the bad guy ans force a trade asap.

Will be hilarious when he signs with a non playoff team and we see how important winning is.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am too lazy to go back in the thread, but one of the insiders mentioned that part of Zadorov's reasoning for wanting a trade is that having lack of team success could hurt his value as a free agent. He was willing to sign an extension with the Flames, but didn't want to risk not getting one and having to hit the market as a player coming off a team that didn't do well.

If true, it would be a gamble for him either way. I get it on one hand, a player like Zadorov can really make his value playing in higher profile games, especially in the playoffs. But going to a team that is a contender probably also means that the team will have a deeper defense.

A couple rounds of high-profile playoff games can have a big impact on a pending UFA’s value. So I get Zadorov’s desperation to showcase himself on a playoff team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A couple rounds of high-profile playoff games can have a big impact on a pending UFA’s value. So I get Zadorov’s desperation to showcase himself on a playoff team.

I mean it can go both ways...also, GL picking the 8 teams that will play a couple rounds

lots of guys wanted to go win a cup in Boston last year I bet

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Not to mention it only works if he plays well and his team wins. If he goes to a contender and gets torched, it’s not going to help his value any.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Not to mention it only works if he plays well and his team wins. If he goes to a contender and gets torched, it’s not going to help his value any.

True, but he probably believes in himself. He is at his peak right now and seems like a confident guy. He probably isn't the kind of person to bet against himself.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Not to mention it only works if he plays well and his team wins. If he goes to a contender and gets torched, it’s not going to help his value any.

Less likely to get torched when you’re surrounded by a good team playing well, than on a weak rebuilding team paired with essentially a rookie.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Less likely to get torched when you’re surrounded by a good team playing well, than on a weak rebuilding team paired with essentially a rookie.

You think he will go to a contender and get a bumped up in the lineup when he is playing 3rd pairing on the 30th place team?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think he will go to a contender and get a bumped up in the lineup when he is playing 3rd pairing on the 30th place team?

Maybe he feels like part of the reason this is a 30th place team is because he is on the 3rd pairing?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Maybe he feels like part of the reason this is a 30th place team is because he is on the 3rd pairing?

And we’d be 32nd if he was a top pairing guy.

That’s nice he thinks highly of himself though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Maybe he feels like part of the reason this is a 30th place team is because he is on the 3rd pairing?

He was on the 2nd pairing during a 6 game losing streak got bumped down and we suddenly have points in 3 straight.

He's a decent player but nothing special enough for 35 pages of crying and story telling we have seen here.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think he will go to a contender and get a bumped up in the lineup when he is playing 3rd pairing on the 30th place team?

Ugh. Not sure why I bother.

You think he’ll get traded to a bad team and remain on the 3rd pair when he is playing 3rd pairing on the 30th place team?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He was on the 2nd pairing during a 6 game losing streak got bumped down and we suddenly have points in 3 straight.

He's a decent player but nothing special enough for 35 pages of crying and story telling we have seen here.

After Andersson was suspended the pairings were:
Hanifin - Weegar
Oesterle/Solovyov - Tanev
Zadorov - Gilbert/Oesterle

He wasn't really playing on the 2nd pairing.

Zadorov - Weegar was a pairing to start the year. The Flames were 2-2-1 with Z playing on the 2nd paring in the first 5 games to start the season. That pairing left a lot to be desired(2GF, 7GA), but had a good xG%, and a low PDO.

In comparison Weegar - Andersson has 8GF, 4GA.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A couple rounds of high-profile playoff games can have a big impact on a pending UFA’s value. So I get Zadorov’s desperation to showcase himself on a playoff team.

If this was remotely true Tkachuk would never have got paid before last year. A dud in every playoff he played for the Flames but still got paid.