[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[Mattman]

^^Sure but a mutual agreement to "hang out" doesn't make the (alledged) rape become nothing you goof!

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by driveway

I really hope the Hawks do the right thing and keep Kane out of games while under investigation and not just wait to see if/when charges are laid.

This is the worst idea pretty much ever. An accusation at this point with not much else for the public to use to determine innocence or guilt, and you want him suspended because it is the right thing to do? That is absolutely the worst thing to do.

The second post of yours I read today like this.

That is not something I would wish ever in Canada or the USA.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

I have a feeling charges could be just weeks away. Obviously I was not there, but when you combine the fact that the victim only went there to make sure her friend was not alone, physical evidence (bite marks, etc), and several people of the woman saying he is of good character, and would not make this up, I suspect charges will be laid.

Explain to me how that is evidence when you don't yet know the details of what happened?

At this point they are just bite marks. If they were a part of the crime, then they can become evidence, but at this point they are simply bite marks.

I am curious how you think bite marks are part of a rape.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Mattman

^^Sure but a mutual agreement to "hang out" doesn't make the (alledged) rape become nothing you goof!

also from the article

The statements by English and earlier comments by SkyBar owner and Buffalo developer Mark Croce, who also was arranging with Kane to bring the Stanley Cup to his bar when the trophy was in town, are contradicted by what other sources said about the events leading up to the alleged rape.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

This is the worst idea pretty much ever. An accusation at this point with not much else for the public to use to determine innocence or guilt, and you want him suspended because it is the right thing to do? That is absolutely the worst thing to do.

The second post of yours I read today like this.

That is not something I would wish ever in Canada or the USA.

Voynov was suspended without being proven guilty. The NHL is more concern about public perception than whether the person is guilty or not.

[GGG]

To me suspend with pay while under investigation is reasonable. I think hockey players fall under the general "positions of public trust" like teachers, cops, judges, doctors etc. in these types of roles people are generally suspended with pay while the cases work there way through the system.

A hockey player with their community representation should likely be treated similarly.

[IgiTang]

Anyone know when we can expect some charges actually being laid? I understand due diligence and all but at this point there must be some evidence to make something stick... Or is this a lot of smoke and no fire so to speak?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Explain to me how that is evidence when you don't yet know the details of what happened?

At this point they are just bite marks. If they were a part of the crime, then they can become evidence, but at this point they are simply bite marks.

I am curious how you think bite marks are part of a rape.

Bite marks and claims to be a rape victim. Put two and two together. At some point common sense has to come in to play there. People don't get bit often either. They can also determine how old the bite marks are and if they line up with the alleged rape then there's some hard evidence.

I get that he's not guilty yet, and you have every right to defend that point, but it's not hard to see how bite marks can be evidence of a rape...

[Hackey]

If the bite marks left an impression it should be pretty easy to match to Kane. How they prove they happened during a rape and not consensual sex I'm not sure.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Didn't read the articles but where was her friend during this, the one who wanted to be there?

[Poe969]

If they hold Kane out of games before he's proven guilty, I want people to start accusing star players from every other team of rape. Big game against the caps, Ovi raped me! Stars are in town, Benn raped me too! They have to be careful how they handle this, and the Voyonov thing was different. If he's innocent and they hold him out of games, it could go terribly wrong for everyone and if he guilty and they let him play, that may be worse. It's way too early to say they should do anything and I'd hate to be in the shoes of whoever makes the final call.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

Jesus. are you his brother?

If I told the cops I saw you grabbing a chicks ass one day and then the next day I said "well, It might have been him but I'm not positive now" is that not backtracking and lying?

Fact is he implicated to the newspaper that the chick was partially to blame with the way she was acting(flirting, following him around..etc.) basically calling her a skank and it wasn't even the right girl. He was trying to save his ass plain and simple.

He said he didn't know who she was or if she was the alleged victim FROM THE BEGINNING!

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

This is the worst idea pretty much ever. An accusation at this point with not much else for the public to use to determine innocence or guilt, and you want him suspended because it is the right thing to do? That is absolutely the worst thing to do.



The second post of yours I read today like this.



That is not something I would wish ever in Canada or the USA.

You're confused about the difference between a legal standard and a social one.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Bite marks and claims to be a rape victim. Put two and two together. At some point common sense has to come in to play there.

And like I said, you tell me how bite marks prove a rape happened?

I don't think you understand the concept of evidence.

The bite marks may be a fact, but they might not be part of the crime. The prosecution has to figure that out.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Mattman

^^Sure but a mutual agreement to "hang out" doesn't make the (alledged) rape become nothing you goof!

Why do people insist on reading stuff into comments/articles that simply aren't there? He never said that rape is "nothing".

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If they hold Kane out of games before he's proven guilty, I want people to start accusing star players from every other team of rape. Big game against the caps, Ovi raped me! Stars are in town, Benn raped me too! They have to be careful how they handle this, and the Voyonov thing was different. If he's innocent and they hold him out of games, it could go terribly wrong for everyone and if he guilty and they let him play, that may be worse. It's way too early to say they should do anything and I'd hate to be in the shoes of whoever makes the final call.

Think they had an episode of Blue Mountain State with this idea but the cops were in on it too haha. Let them go after the game.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

Why do people insist on reading stuff into comments/articles that simply aren't there? He never said that rape is "nothing".

I guess what I was trying to say was the fact it was a mutual agreement to hang out at Kane's place doesn't really matter. He could have invited her anywhere and she would have said yes to "hanging out".

Mutual consent for hanging out ≠ Mutual consent for sex

[Weitz]

I wonder if people realize all the comments people give to reporters likely are coming directly after a question.

So when guy says "It was a mutual agreement to go hang out at the house" he was likely asked something like "did it appear the girls were being forced to go?"

I know some of these guys have a vested interest in the case but I highly doubt their comments are anything more than answers to questions they were asked.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Mutual consent for hanging out ≠ Mutual consent for sex

I haven't seen anyone disagree with that, including the cop in that article. Much like the bar owner, he is simply saying what he saw, complete with disclaimers that he knows nothing about whether a rape took place, and getting killed for it.

[East Coast Flame]

I just finished reading Jon Krakauer's new book Missoula about the rape scandal surrounding the football team at the University of Montana from a few years back.

It's a pretty incredible reads and tells the stories of several women from the University of Montana to illustrate the problems faced by rape victims nationwide in persuading police and prosecutors to pursue their cases - especially when the perpetrators are high profile athletes.

I would highly recommend it to everyone in this thread; especially after reading some of the garbage that has been thrown about in here.