Tim Thomas Stands with Chick-Fil-A (i.e. against gay marriage)

[jayswin]

If you are pro-equal rights for gays and joined Calgarypuck after 2010, thank this post.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by fotze

Well, it may be hard to believe but that story has totally changed my mind. Can't believe a guy did that. The gays can go fata themself because of that lap toucher. Fataing Tony. Tony is a pretty gay name too. Was he a rugged looking italian fellow.

If there are any gays in this thread, go screw yourselves because of Tony. I'm sure you are all Tony apologists too.

I found a pic of Tony

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by flameswin

BadgerBob is taking a lot of flak for the actual "points" he's trying to make in this point, and yes, if you take his post at face value, it seems misguided, misdirected and little insane.

But the reality is, that post simply shows the words of a homophobic person. It's the same way we all read T&T's hateful words about gays, and he later revealed that it was all because of one incidint.

You can tell by the way they articulate their posts, that an incident in their life has caused them to become homophobes, and as society changes and progresses, they likely won't.

It's too bad that they'll be left behind and viewed as bigots, where as they probably believe they are decent, kind human beings, but that's teh way she goes.



*Also...been drinking. So if this post doesn't make sense, not my fault.

Welcome to the world of every woman, Badger Bob. Do you know how many women deal with unwanted sexual advances from men? But when it's your friend he was victimized, when it's a woman, she "was asking for it" based on what she was wearing, or that she willingly was in a car alone with a man, etc.

What Tony did was wrong, absolutely, but plenty of straight guys have done the exact same thing to women. It doesn't make all straight men evil. Just like one incident with Tony didn't make all gay men evil. You can't take it out on a group of millions and millions of people simply because one person acted improperly.

None of what happened to your friend means that the gay community as a whole should be denied equal rights. Lots of men sexually harass and assault women, on a regular basis, but that doesn't mean that men as a whole should have to be punished for that.

Again, this is a "bad" story of a gay man doing something stupid and assaulting a straight man. But regularly, bigoted idiots will physically harm gay men and women, far more often than incidents like this. They are victimized, pretty often, and refusing to give them basic rights which they deserve adds insult to injury.

[Rathji]

I dream of one day having a grandchild ask me," grandpa, what were bigots"?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I dream of one day having a grandchild ask me," grandpa, what were bigots"?

Cute and touching, but that will never happen unfortunately. Doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards that end, which many in this thread do in their small ways, but humankind just isn't like that. There will always be another reason to hate or disclude (is that a word?) another person.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Cute and touching, but that will never happen unfortunately. Doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards that end, which many in this thread do in their small ways, but humankind just isn't like that. There will always be another reason to hate or disclude (is that a word?) another person.

But eventually, it should come down to things that actually matter.

For example:

"We don't like those kind of people, little Johnny. We shouldn't ever let them let them inter-marry with our kind of people"

"Ok Dad, but why?"

"Because they are idiots, Johnny. Complete idiots."

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Rathji

But eventually, it should come down to things that actually matter.

For example:

"We don't like those kind of people, little Johnny. We shouldn't ever let them let them inter-marry with our kind of people"

"Ok Dad, but why?"

"Because they are idiots, Johnny. Complete idiots."

That's being bigoted to common sense impaired people

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Cute and touching, but that will never happen unfortunately. Doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards that end, which many in this thread do in their small ways, but humankind just isn't like that. There will always be another reason to hate or disclude (is that a word?) another person.

No. You mean to say "exclude".

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

While admittedly somewhat amusing this isn't really any different from the patently idiotic tactic still inexplicably used by certain homophobic morons whereby anyone standing up for gay rights or taking offense at the insensitive use of homophobic slurs must be gay themselves.

That is not true though, there are scientific studies that show those who are homophobic are likely repressing homosexual tendencies. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...en-homosexuals

Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/0...al-attraction/

A research team from the University of Rochester, the University of Essex, England, and the University of California in Santa Barbara found that “[h]omophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex

So it would be fair and accurate to say that homophobes have a higher likelihood of being gay themselves, based on things like science. So if Badger Bob or Calgaryborn have those tendencies, science would have predicted that they may have those proclivities. I would suspect it is better to embrace than suppress such things.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

If you are pro-equal rights for gays and joined Calgarypuck after 2010, thank this post.

Lol, I was arguing for it since I got here in 04, but I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your post you drunk ass.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Makarov

No. You mean to say "exclude".

My god, massive brain fart.

It's like my brain forgot the letter 'z'. Weird, I obviously know that word, it just wouldn't come to me.

And I'm sober tonight gawl darnit! Maybe that's the problem.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

While admittedly somewhat amusing this isn't really any different from the patently idiotic tactic still inexplicably used by certain homophobic morons whereby anyone standing up for gay rights or taking offense at the insensitive use of homophobic slurs must be gay themselves.

There are two broad groups of people who believe that gay people should be treated as less thans-

1. People who think that gay people are different than straight people, either by nature or nurture, and should receive less rights based on those differences. This is the definition of bigotry. This group is deserving of contempt.

2. People who think that the only difference between gay people and straight people is that when gay people feel the same temptation to commit gay acts that all people face, they give in to that temptation. This group is deserving of pity.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

So it would be fair and accurate to say that homophobes have a higher likelihood of being gay themselves, based on things like science. So if Badger Bob or Calgaryborn have those tendencies, science would have predicted that they may have those proclivities. I would suspect it is better to embrace than suppress such things.

The correlation is not enough to go attributing a sexual orientation to specific individuals. I would imagine that a significant number of people who support gay rights are also gay. And Badger Bob or Calgaryborn may or may not be closeted gays, but the point is that using any such hypothetical in a mocking tone is in itself counterproductive... I mean, for the sake of argument and without suggesting one way or another, what if they actually were gay and struggling with their identities? Would it be appropriate to point and laugh? I can imagine that being in that position is for many people a very difficult thing to deal with; certainly difficult enough without also having to be mocked for it.

Not to mention, associating the people who are just closed-minded jerks with closeted gays who are attempting to come to terms with their sexual identity is pretty denigrating to the latter group.

Originally Posted by Makarov

No. You mean to say "exclude".

Alternatively and perhaps more contentiously, "disinclude". While not yet canon English I hereby bless "disinclude" as a good word fully deserving of recognition, in accordance with the authority vested in me by my status as former English major.

[SeeBass]

Hey Badger a white veteran just shot up a temple and killed 6.

I would assume with your line of thinking that we shouldn't be honoring/respect our vets cause there are some less than perfect people in that group too.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by fotze

I m sick of these pro-gay stories portraying them as all wonderful like Luka Magnotta. Could the media make him any less awesome? They have put him on this pedal stool like you would a severed head.

Its "paddle stool" dude...get it straight already.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

That is not true though, there are scientific studies that show those who are homophobic are likely repressing homosexual tendencies.

So what you're saying is a poster or two may secretly want to break one of the ten commandments....you know "though shalt not covet thy neighbours ass".

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by ernie

So what you're saying is a poster or two may secretly want to break one of the ten commandments....you know "though shalt not covet thy neighbours ass".

The Bible says nothing of coveting your neighbour's donkey.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Lol, I was arguing for it since I got here in 04, but I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your post you drunk ass.

Me? I was quoting Badgerbob, who claimed that there's some kind of conspiracy on CP, where a bunch of new posters have joined after 2010 and started spreading tolerance, and that all the long-term posters (aka, his version of the good ol' days, I guess) are against equal rights.

It was a bizarre asserstion on his part, and as it turns out, not even the slightest bit true.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Me? I was quoting Badgerbob, who claimed that there's some kind of conspiracy on CP, where a bunch of new posters have joined after 2010 and started spreading tolerance, and that all the long-term posters (aka, his version of the good ol' days, I guess) are against equal rights.

It was a bizarre asserstion on his part, and as it turns out, not even the slightest bit true.

Ahh lol, I missed that part of his post.

Conspiracy of tolerance. I like that!

[T@T]

Originally Posted by flameswin

It's the same way we all read T&T's hateful words about gays.

Assuming your talking about me(It's T@T with an @ BTW) please show me where I have shown "hate" towards gays? People see this and now I'm a gay hater? because you say so? Fact is I probably have more gay friends than you do and all I ever said was I don't agree with open public gayness and probably never will...that is not "hate" sir. It honesty!

I know the rest of your post(s) tried to explain but...wow!

For the record the closest I come to "hating" anyone is when religious fanatics murder innocent people but i certainly don't hate anyones race or someones sexual preference.