Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

There was nothing in my post to say my political leanings.

I liked O'Toole, but seem to recall there were some infighting directed at O'Toole, BTW I voted Conservative in 2021, because I liked O'Toole. In fact more often than not I have voted Conservative, even if I held my nose.

I think he could have moved the party towards the old PC stance.

Needless to say that as soon as O'Toole came out against CCP influence, suddenly there was 'infighting' and lack of support among Canadians.

Given what we have seen come out since then in terms of meddling around in our elections, I wouldn't be surprised if the CCP worked to undermine his campaign.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I agree, O'Toole was the right moderate choice even if he did not first win mostly thanks to Kenney's folly, and CPC went the wrong direction instead of the correct one (shift to the far right and embracing of the freedom convoy) and I apologize if I wrongly took your stance at the current iteration of the Conservatives (which I also do hate) as a pro Trudeau stance.

apology accept but no needed

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

The CPC needs to follow Tim Houston's strategy in Nova Scotia.

Tell the fringe loonies to fringe off. He kicked out a very popular MLA out of his caucus for supporting the convoy and shutting down the highway.

Did he lose that seat in the subsequent election? Yes.

Did he also nearly double his seat total to form a majority government including pickups in Liberal strongholds? Also, yes.

The CPC needs to tell the alt-right fringe to bugger off, then campaign on a distinctly Canadian social single issue like improving Healthcare.

If they happen to elect a leader from east of Ontario that'd also do them a world of good.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

O'Toole was fine until he showed willingness to bow to the social fringe of his party. As soon as he did that, it was a sign that he would act differently in office than he had been campaigning. It was like a light switch. I know some liked McKay, I wouldn't trust him at all after he sold out the PC's to the Reform party. Not a chance. Give me a Joe Clark and we can talk.

That’s why O’Toole lost the election, but he lost the leadership after he basically stood his ground and laid out (accurately) what was wrong with the Conservative Party, which was in line with how he spoke when he ran for leadership the first time. The Conservatives basically bullied him into catering to the far right, and then claimed his problem was being “wishy-washy” as soon as he stood up after the loss and told them he wouldn’t keep being a pushover.

O’Toole was the best of what they’ve had since Harper by far and even he couldn’t completely silence the hysterical screaming of the far right losers in that party.

[Fuzz]

Which further emphasizes the point, it's the party itself, not just leadership. And since the party nominates the leader, well, the feces cycle just repeats. Big tents turn out to just contaminate everyone with the same sewage. Who knew?

[Azure]

One could make the same argument for the Liberals, who are beyond corrupt at this point, and all marching in step with their corrupt leader.

And then there is the NDP who all march in step with their dear leader who is busy marching in step with the corrupt Liberal leader.

Basically we have #### and more #### for political parties.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

One could make the same argument for the Liberals, who are beyond corrupt at this point, and all marching in step with their corrupt leader.

And then there is the NDP who all march in step with their dear leader who is busy marching in step with the corrupt Liberal leader.

Basically we have #### and more #### for political parties.

One absolutely could make the same argument for the Federal Liberals. In fact, I have—many times.

They are not on the ballot on May 29th; Danielle Smith is. This is our chance to send a message that her temperament, her behaviour, her association with extremists, and her out of step political views are not acceptable. The message is that we expect better from our politicians and when they fall short of the standard we expect, we WILL vote for someone else.

We will have the same opportunity with the Trudeau liberals. If you feel the same way about Trudeau (and many people do), there will be a chance. But it’s not a reason to throw your hands up and “many sides” the issue to justify not making the choice we all have to make right now.

Voting NDP isn’t going to be equally easy for everyone—that’s clear from this thread. Many voters will have to hold their nose a bit to do it. Others might even find they have to make a different choice—spoiling their ballot, or voting for another party—that’s a personal choice and one you have to make with your conscience. My (very anecdotal) sense is there are people who have voted UCP in the past who are reluctant to do it again for these reasons, and are struggling with this choice a bit now.

I think that’s sort of what GGG is saying. Those people chose the UCP in the last for completely legitimate reasons, having to do with their beliefs and values and choosing a party that aligns with them. If they are now on the fence, it’s worth recognizing that voting NDP in order to punish the misconduct of the UCP is not an easy choice for them. It requires them to give the reins to someone they disagree with in order to send a message to a party that they know needs to hear it. Calling them a “moron” won’t help. A person isn’t a moron because they have certain political beliefs or values. And that just makes people feel defensive, and that in turn can make them feel more entrenched.

I think a way better pitch is to say that this election is a chance to put the UCP in the penalty box for electing a leader that is just completely unsuited for the role. They don’t have to commit to the NDP forever. They don’t even have to vote for their NDP candidate—just withhold their support from a party that right now has shown that it doesn’t deserve it. It’s our duty as voters to make sure that our politicians do not take us for granted, and know that we will punish them when they do.

This turned into kind of a long post… sorry about that.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Not only was that a long post, it’s in the wrong thread. I thought I was posting in the Alberta politics thread…. Since I’m not, my response to Azure makes a LOT less sense.

Need another cup of coffee apparently.

[Azure]

You're right, it only makes sense on the provincial side, but it exposes the dog####pile we have to work with on the federal side.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655965583031287809

[woob]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

The CPC needs to follow Tim Houston's strategy in Nova Scotia.

Definitely read this as Tim Horton's and was VERY confused for a moment.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655702083171909632

Everyone should look forward to state run media even more than it is currently.

[GordonBlue]

Good on Quebec. I hope more provinces crack down on short term rentals.

Quebec tables bill to tighten screws on Airbnb, other short-term rental platforms

Bill 25 includes fines of up to $100K for platforms per illegal posting

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...tals-1.6837199

The Quebec government has presented legislation that, if passed, will force Airbnb and other short-term rental platforms to crack down on illegal listings or face hefty fines.

Bill 25, An Act to fight illegal tourist accommodation, was tabled Tuesday at the National Assembly by Tourism Minister Caroline Proulx.

It looks to regulate short-term rentals and require digital platforms to ensure that the accommodations listed on their websites comply with Quebec and municipal laws.

It comes in the wake of a deadly March fire in an Old Montreal heritage building that killed seven people — including six staying in Airbnbs. After the fire, Proulx vowed to table a bill before the end of May.

[Weitz]

Airbnb pulls out of Quebec in T-minus….

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655965583031287809

I will find it hilarious if the aggressive approach of Poilievre in going after Trudeau results in the NDP getting stronger while the Conservatives are still on the outside come next election.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655702083171909632

Everyone should look forward to state run media even more than it is currently.

I encourage everyone to watch this particular video clip. They are discussing new policies being adopted by the liberal party.

[Fuzz]

I encourage everyone to read this particular news article immediately after, or before, if you want to save a few minutes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pri...tion-1.6837036

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I encourage everyone to read this particular news article immediately after, or before, if you want to save a few minutes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pri...tion-1.6837036

You won't let the rightwingers have a minute of fun?.... lol

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I encourage everyone to read this particular news article immediately after, or before, if you want to save a few minutes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pri...tion-1.6837036

Great if he is saying that now, However, it was adopted by members of the liberal party.

What can be trusted with what he says? zero

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Great if he is saying that now, However, it was adopted by members of the liberal party.

What can be trusted with what he says? zero

I'd encourage you to follow the words of a Conservative writer I respect and often agree with.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655962116606795780