Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Psac strike over looks like.

yep.

A second strike of federal public servants is over after a tentative deal was reached between the Canada Revenue Agency and more than 35,000 Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) members

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...deal-1.6829165

Like the tentative deal announced Monday for the larger group, the headlines of the CRA deal are a compounded wage increase of 12.6 per cent over four years, according to the union, and a one-time pensionable payment of $2,500.

Both sides wrote Thursday that the tentative agreement addresses the union's key priorities, listed by the union as remote work, contracted work, working hours and seniority.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1654263329727082497

https://twitter.com/user/status/1654501406403862528

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

yep.

A second strike of federal public servants is over after a tentative deal was reached between the Canada Revenue Agency and more than 35,000 Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) members

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...deal-1.6829165

Like the tentative deal announced Monday for the larger group, the headlines of the CRA deal are a compounded wage increase of 12.6 per cent over four years, according to the union, and a one-time pensionable payment of $2,500.

Both sides wrote Thursday that the tentative agreement addresses the union's key priorities, listed by the union as remote work, contracted work, working hours and seniority.

I’m happy that Locke can now get reacquainted with his friends at the CRA. The last couple of weeks had to have been just torture for him.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So you are happy about the fiscal restraint of the Liberals I assume?

You don't even pretend to hide the apologism, like a horse with blinders. If you would like a cookie for their 3.1 billion surplus over 11 months after the 95.6 billion deficit in 2021-22, you can have it.

Speaking of the convention, one of the proposals being voted on is “hold on-line information services accountable for the veracity of material published on their platforms and to limit publication only to material whose sources can be traced.”

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2023/05/...can-be-traced/

The Liberals are clearly very unhappy about the CSIS leaks, especially the one about Chong's family harassment and they wish to censor any such whistleblowing and prevent our media from ever being able to use anonymous sources. Liberals feel they should never have to answer whistleblowing leaks.

Most Canadians news organizations support the use of anonymous sources. This includes media organizations like CBC who have maintained the need for anonymous sources for credible reporting.

https://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/communi...edibility.html

Considering your stance on the Global article and your slant, do you agree with the Liberals proposed plan and disagree with the CBC? Or do you agree with the CBC and disagree with the Liberals?

[shotinthebacklund]

Don't worry, C11 will help stop any of this overreach and really help the Canadian media be forefront to transparent and concrete Canadian reporting.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655224478102683653

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655286380191432704

[Erick Estrada]

I think if you go back years prior to when Justin became PM I warned of incoming corruptness but even I am pretty shocked just how corrupt his government has been. There's just no level too low for this government. The SNC and WE scandals are one thing but this China thing is just gross. The levels of corruption in his government is just ridiculous. There are plenty of people behind bars in this country that are more lawulf than this guy as he's a dirty crook.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think if you go back years prior to when Justin became PM I warned of incoming corruptness but even I am pretty shocked just how corrupt his government has been. There's just no level too low for this government. The SNC and WE scandals are one thing but this China thing is just gross. The levels of corruption in his government is just ridiculous. There are plenty of people behind bars in this country that are more lawulf than this guy as he's a dirty crook.

....and yet somehow the Conservative Party still can't put forward a candidate and platform more appealing to Canadians.

[The Fonz]

Vote for the NDP then.

Or is the Conservative's self dick-punching just a poor excuse for yourself to continue supporting what should be an unelectable leadership in the current Liberals?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Vote for the NDP then.

Or is the Conservative's self dick-punching just a poor excuse for yourself to continue supporting what should be an unelectable leadership in the current Liberals?

Well it doesn't really matter who Albertans vote for(generally). The Conservative will win, so at best you can use your vote for messaging, as in "I like what you are doing" or " I do not like what you are doing". Clearly voting for Conservative or Liberal at this juncture doesn't make much sense, since most people, even Liberal supporters, don't really like the continued direction.

And it would be just as helpful for Conservative supporters to also voice their displeasure for continuing to put for unelectable leaders and supporting unelctable positions. The endless support, despite poor decisions, is why they keep making poor decisions.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Vote for the NDP then.

Or is the Conservative's self dick-punching just a poor excuse for yourself to continue supporting what should be an unelectable leadership in the current Liberals?

The NDP are a big reason this corruption hasn't been squashed.

Governments have fallen for a lot less, and right now the only thing propping this one up is the NDP lapdogs running circles around Trudeau trying to excuse his actions.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1655654893607067658

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

....and yet somehow the Conservative Party still can't put forward a candidate and platform more appealing to Canadians.

What was not appealing about Erin O'Toole? He's a military man with a major in political science and a law degree lawyer. And he has been a politician for over a decade. He is as educated, experienced, accomplished and distinguished as they come. Most certainly arguably much more qualified than Trudeau was in 2015 unless we take in account nobility.

Would you have voted for Peter McKay?

Realistically someone who has strong core socialist values isn't going to vote for a party on the right no matter what, regardless of if Poilievre, O'Toole, Scheer or Harper is at the helm, so saying that the conservatives won't put a more appealing candidate to that person is moot as they have zero intention of ever making that choice.

And you could still not vote for conservatives, even call them loonies rights, while still simultaneously condemn or at the very least criticize Trudeau and the Liberals on its own merit. But we don't see that from folks here, so it's really hard to take these comments criticizing conservatives for face value when they are made.

Liberal = corrupt comment is made? Well at least they aren't conservative hur hur.

In the end it just makes those folks look like partisan apologists and whataboutists.

[DFO]

O’Toole and the CPC would have won this upcoming election if he were still the leader. But the CPC brain trust just couldn’t leave well enough alone.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Firebot

What was not appealing about Erin O'Toole? He's a military man with a major in political science and a law degree lawyer. And he has been a politician for over a decade. He is as educated, experienced, accomplished and distinguished as they come. Most certainly arguably much more qualified than Trudeau was in 2015 unless we take in account nobility.

Would you have voted for Peter McKay?

Realistically someone who has strong core socialist values isn't going to vote for a party on the right no matter what, regardless of if Poilievre, O'Toole, Scheer or Harper is at the helm, so saying that the conservatives won't put a more appealing candidate to that person is moot as they have zero intention of ever making that choice.

And you could still not vote for conservatives, even call them loonies rights, while still simultaneously condemn or at the very least criticize Trudeau and the Liberals on its own merit. But we don't see that from folks here, so it's really hard to take these comments criticizing conservatives for face value when they are made.

Liberal = corrupt comment is made? Well at least they aren't conservative hur hur.

In the end it just makes those folks look like partisan apologists and whataboutists.

There was nothing in my post to say my political leanings.

I liked O'Toole, but seem to recall there were some infighting directed at O'Toole, BTW I voted Conservative in 2021, because I liked O'Toole. In fact more often than not I have voted Conservative, even if I held my nose.

I think he could have moved the party towards the old PC stance.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Firebot

What was not appealing about Erin O'Toole?

A question better directed at Conservative Party membership: after all, they're the ones who ate him alive.

O'Toole tried threading the needle between making overtures to Red Tories while not alienating the far-right loons. O'Toole's policy positions alienated both moderates and the fringe, and he was thus simultaneously "too right-wing" for many centrists and "not right-wing enough" and a "traitor" to the fringe base. Even if the CPC carried the vote and formed government with O'Toole as PM this internal strife was never going to be overcome; Jason Kenney was premier with a huge majority and the same faction of voters at the provincial level still stabbed him in the back.

Realistically someone who has strong core socialist values isn't going to vote for a party on the right no matter what, regardless of if Poilievre, O'Toole, Scheer or Harper is at the helm, so saying that the conservatives won't put a more appealing candidate to that person is moot as they have zero intention of ever making that choice.

And you could still not vote for conservatives, even call them loonies rights, while still simultaneously condemn or at the very least criticize Trudeau and the Liberals on its own merit. But we don't see that from folks here, so it's really hard to take these comments criticizing conservatives for face value when they are made.

Liberal = corrupt comment is made? Well at least they aren't conservative hur hur.

In the end it just makes those folks look like partisan apologists and whataboutists.

Who here is making apologies for Trudeau?

Undercoverbrother and others like him—I'm sure myself included—haven't been advocating for Trudeau, but merely pointing out that if the CPC want to win the next election they need to be a whole lot better. As appallingly corrupt as the Liberal Party is, the overarching point is that Conservative policy is so anathema to many Canadian voters that they'll tolerate Liberal corruption rather than tolerate Conservative government. That's not good for any of us, because yeah: it does give the Liberals pretty much carte blanche to do whatever the hell they want.

For the Conservatives it comes down to a vehement repudiation of the right-wing fringe. If they can't and won't do that, then there's a solid majority of the electorate who haven't and won't give them a vote. Canada is a socially liberal country full of socially liberal people who absolutely will not tolerate a bunch of looney toons from the dregs of the Conservative base running the show.

[TheIronMaiden]

I've said it before but the CPC needs an out and out witch hunt of socially regressive members if they would like to from government.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

There was nothing in my post to say my political leanings.

I liked O'Toole, but seem to recall there were some infighting directed at O'Toole, BTW I voted Conservative in 2021, because I liked O'Toole. In fact more often than not I have voted Conservative, even if I held my nose.

I think he could have moved the party towards the old PC stance.

I agree, O'Toole was the right moderate choice even if he did not first win mostly thanks to Kenney's folly, and CPC went the wrong direction instead of the correct one (shift to the far right and embracing of the freedom convoy) and I apologize if I wrongly took your stance at the current iteration of the Conservatives (which I also do hate) as a pro Trudeau stance.

[Fuzz]

O'Toole was fine until he showed willingness to bow to the social fringe of his party. As soon as he did that, it was a sign that he would act differently in office than he had been campaigning. It was like a light switch. I know some liked McKay, I wouldn't trust him at all after he sold out the PC's to the Reform party. Not a chance. Give me a Joe Clark and we can talk.