Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Exactly my point thank you. Why should any government party control this right. You seem okay with it now, what if the next party in government, who you disagree with, now controls those rights.

Which rights are you referring to?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Which rights are you referring to?

CRTC is requiring outcomes, and manipulating algorithms is the only way to achieve the government's requirement to promote official CanCon content first – CRTC chair Ian Scott has confirmed this during testimony. The CRTC will decide what our experience on platforms should look like, and it will be up to the platforms to decide how they will manipulate our feeds to get it done



Will Bill C-11 give the CRTC the power to regulate your posts?

• The short answer – yes. Like Bill C-10, Bill C-11 gives the CRTC unprecedented regulatory authority to monitor all online audiovisual content. This power extends to penalizing content creators and platforms and through them, content creators that fail to comply.
  

The right to chose what Canadians consume and who its coming from. The language used in the bill far from eliminates the governments ability to do this.

[PepsiFree]

Social media and entertainment companies manipulating feeds? Using algorithms? Canadian content on television?

These things have never existed before today. This is truly frightening territory.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Social media and entertainment companies manipulating feeds? Using algorithms? Canadian content on television?

These things have never existed before today. This is truly frightening territory.

I'm mostly worried about being subjected to more Kim Mitchel, Brian Adams and Nickelback.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

CRTC is requiring outcomes, and manipulating algorithms is the only way to achieve the government's requirement to promote official CanCon content first – CRTC chair Ian Scott has confirmed this during testimony. The CRTC will decide what our experience on platforms should look like, and it will be up to the platforms to decide how they will manipulate our feeds to get it done

How is this different than how previous CanCon rules applied to other forms of media?

Will Bill C-11 give the CRTC the power to regulate your posts?

• The short answer – yes. Like Bill C-10, Bill C-11 gives the CRTC unprecedented regulatory authority to monitor all online audiovisual content. This power extends to penalizing content creators and platforms and through them, content creators that fail to comply.
  

The right to chose what Canadians consume and who its coming from. The language used in the bill far from eliminates the governments ability to do this.

I guess I’m still not understanding which rights we previously had that you’re saying are now being affected, we’ve never had the right to post anything we want to on the internet without consequences.

[shotinthebacklund]

I guess I’m still not understanding which rights we previously had that you’re saying are now being affected, we’ve never had the right to post anything we want to on the internet without consequences.

A, I understand now, you are thinking I disagree with this based on some level of free speech attack. That's not the case. I am critical of Bill C-11 because they had the opportunity to remove doubt, remove the potential overreach, they chose this path instead. Will they use C-11 in malicious means, hopefully not. Could they given the structure of the bill, yes, 100%

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm mostly worried about being subjected to more Kim Mitchel, Brian Adams and Nickelback.

You'll know the mind control is working when you have a sudden desire to go for a soda under your patio lanterns.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

A, I understand now, you are thinking I disagree with this based on some level of free speech attack. That's not the case. I am critical of Bill C-11 because they had the opportunity to remove doubt, remove the potential overreach, they chose this path instead. Will they use C-11 in malicious means, hopefully not. Could they given the structure of the bill, yes, 100%

I’m just trying to figure out which right you feel we are losing. Totally agree that the legislation should be more clear, although in fairness I would probably say that about the majority of bills passed.

[shotinthebacklund]

I’m just trying to figure out which right you feel we are losing. Totally agree that the legislation should be more clear, although in fairness I would probably say that about the majority of bills passed.

I am assuming you read right, as in Canadian citizen rights, or personal right. Instead of right I guess you could substitute it for "power" and it would be more fitting. Governmental power to control content.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I am assuming you read right, as in Canadian citizen rights, or personal right. Instead of right I guess you could substitute it for "power" and it would be more fitting. Governmental power to control content.

Thanks that actually does clarify your position. Over the past few years especially a lot of people have demonstrated a lack of understanding of what are our actual rights are in this country so I just wanted to clarify.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Social media and entertainment companies manipulating feeds? Using algorithms? Canadian content on television?

These things have never existed before today. This is truly frightening territory.

Surely even you see a difference between private and free enterprises manipulating feeds, and a government looking to do the same?

Would you be sharing the same tune if this was implemented or used by a future conservative government looking to regulate content you watch or listen to? Maybe one with Danielle Smith at the helm forcing all social media sources to promote Smith approved Canadian news content like Rebel news to stay online? So why is this good?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...s-social-media

The Liberal government has maintained it doesn’t intend for C-11 to capture user content, such as YouTube or TikTok videos Canadians and digital creators post, but rejected a Senate amendment that would have specified in the law that user-generated content is excluded.

Liberals basically said "Trust us we know what's best for you? And we don't intend to go after you...but we leave the door open to do so"

If people would be scared of this bill being used for nefarious reasons by a future opposing government in the future, they should be scared of this being used by the current government.

Yet apathy reigns on.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Surely even you see a difference between private and free enterprises manipulating feeds, and a government looking to do the same?

Would you be sharing the same tune if this was implemented or used by a future conservative government looking to regulate content you watch or listen to? Maybe one with Danielle Smith at the helm forcing all social media sources to promote Smith approved Canadian news content like Rebel news to stay online? So why is this good?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...s-social-media



Liberals basically said "Trust us we know what's best for you? And we don't intend to go after you...but we leave the door open to do so"

If people would be scared of this bill being used for nefarious reasons by a future opposing government in the future, they should be scared of this being being used by the current government.

Yet apathy reigns on.

Do they not mandate Canadian TV channels and radio stations to play Canadian content already. Say what you will about it - but I assume Canadian TV and music industries would collapse without it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Surely even you see a difference between private and free enterprises manipulating feeds, and a government looking to do the same?

Would you be sharing the same tune if this was implemented or used by a future conservative government looking to regulate content you watch or listen to? Maybe one with Danielle Smith at the helm forcing all social media sources to promote Smith approved Canadian news content like Rebel news to stay online? So why is this good?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...s-social-media



Liberals basically said "Trust us we know what's best for you? And we don't intend to go after you...but we leave the door open to do so"

If people would be scared of this bill being used for nefarious reasons by a future opposing government in the future, they should be scared of this being being used by the current government.

Yet apathy reigns on.

Well, you could also say apathy is what led us here. Allowing cancerous "media" to spread lies and deceit thinly disguised as news that has poisoned our democracy isn't really a good way to go, either.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, you could also say apathy is what led us here. Allowing cancerous "media" to spread lies and deceit thinly disguised as news that has poisoned our democracy isn't really a good way to go, either.

Fuzz, this is no way to talk about our legacy media. CBC is heritage after all.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Surely even you see a difference between private and free enterprises manipulating feeds, and a government looking to do the same?

Would you be sharing the same tune if this was implemented or used by a future conservative government looking to regulate content you watch or listen to? Maybe one with Danielle Smith at the helm forcing all social media sources to promote Smith approved Canadian news content like Rebel news to stay online? So why is this good?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...s-social-media



Liberals basically said "Trust us we know what's best for you? And we don't intend to go after you...but we leave the door open to do so"

If people would be scared of this bill being used for nefarious reasons by a future opposing government in the future, they should be scared of this being used by the current government.

Yet apathy reigns on.

And I suspect if the any government uses this to slant coverage to whatever direction - people would annoyed. But like on TV and radio - it will probably just give show a bunch of lame Canadian YouTube videos or Netflix shows and generate the odd good ones.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

And I suspect if the any government uses this to slant coverage to whatever direction - people would annoyed. But like on TV and radio - it will probably just give show a bunch of lame Canadian YouTube videos or Netflix shows and generate the odd good ones.

Except it can be slanted without anyone even being aware its being done.

[opendoor]

I'm not an expert on C-11 by any means, but is the biggest criticism seriously that CanCon rules for streamers and YouTube are going to be a back door for the government to censor speech? Is that any more plausible than a government doing the same with CanCon rules that have existed for decades?

My understanding is the implementation will be relatively similar to existing CanCon rules where there's a clearly defined standard that prioritizes productions based on various criteria that anyone can meet, regardless of the content of their work. Has there ever been a case where the CRTC has arbitrarily penalized productions that otherwise meet CanCon standards? If not, why would it happen now?

[BlackArcher101]

The only part I have a concern with is pushing "officially recognized Canadian content creators".

What constitutes a creator to be officially recognized, and can this be influenced by a party in power. For example, can a party recognize Jordan Peterson as a creator and have his videos pushed to people.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do they not mandate Canadian TV channels and radio stations to play Canadian content already. Say what you will about it - but I assume Canadian TV and music industries would collapse without it.

Who produces said Canadian content that will be pushed? And how good is this Canadian content we so cherish?

Big Brother Canada? Amazing Race Canada? Canadian Idol? Masterchef Canada? Canada's Got Talent? Some riveting classics

And who gets the revenue for all of these again?

And now this content will be promoted to you via your regular content creators and streaming services operating in Canada who must either create their own ####ty Canadian brand content, or purchase Canadian content from our monopoly giants.

Meanwhile who looks to have joined one of our dear monopoly companies (those very same that Pepsifree states manipulates our feeds)?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/for...tive-1.6818806

Small World Eh™? Luckily for our former industry minister, he will also have a much bigger company to work for thanks to the federal government who just recently approved the Rogers Shaw merger a month prior...again just purely coincidental in such a small world.
And the irony is that still flies over people's head and there are actually people trying to defend bills like C-11.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do they not mandate Canadian TV channels and radio stations to play Canadian content already. Say what you will about it - but I assume Canadian TV and music industries would collapse without it.

Shouldn’t they sink or swim on their own merit? Might not be so obvious a show is Canadian (or possibly British) if they were forced to up their game a bit to survive.