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Old 04-30-2023, 06:37 PM   #6421
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Nice synopsis of it.

Cards on the table, I can't watch a video until later tonight, but I did find this: https://openmedia.org/article/item/w...ll-c-11-an-faq

Not gonna lie, I don't see how your freedom of speech is restricted whatsoever by what's in the openmedia article.

In fairness, I didn't watch the video yet, and will comment afterward.
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Cards on the table, I can't watch a video until later tonight, but I did find this: https://openmedia.org/article/item/w...ll-c-11-an-faq

Not gonna lie, I don't see how your freedom of speech is restricted whatsoever by what's in the openmedia article.

In fairness, I didn't watch the video yet, and will comment afterward.
I'll be impressed if you make it through the video, and you will probably regret doing so.
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Old 04-30-2023, 10:06 PM   #6423
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Old 05-01-2023, 06:51 AM   #6424
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looks like you're mostly right.

Union says tentative agreement reached for 120,000 public servants

Strike action continues for 35,000 Canada Revenue Agency workers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...oard-1.6819491
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Sure didn't expect the star of all places to be the ones to say it but, but damn, do I ever agree with this

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That photo of PP in that article with 1984 book in parliament - its like the guy is purposely trying to lose votes.
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Nice synopsis of it.

The law says that the algorithms must ensure content suggested must have a percentage of Canadian content just like TV and radio.

That doesn't affect your Freedom of Speech/Expression what so ever.

CRTC doesn't actually decide what you watch, they have a formula that covers what Canadian content is.

The YouTuber keeps saying "that's the truth" with no explanation.

He also states that Trudeau can dictate exactly what YouTube shows, which simply isn't true.

"One by one channels will die" What channels? Are there channels of non-Canadians that are making their income solely on Canadian viewers?

He also keeps saying "No one voted for this" yet Canadians voted for every single person in Parliament. He's upset that there isn't a right-wing majority government.

I went through the whole video. The "End of Liberty" argument simply isn't there. Stating over and over again that something is true, isn't an argument. It isn't showing evidence.
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Old 05-01-2023, 08:18 AM   #6428
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Cards on the table, I can't watch a video until later tonight, but I did find this: https://openmedia.org/article/item/w...ll-c-11-an-faq

Not gonna lie, I don't see how your freedom of speech is restricted whatsoever by what's in the openmedia article.

In fairness, I didn't watch the video yet, and will comment afterward.

Pulled directly from the linked openmedia article. These are serious points of concern for me.

- The short answer – yes. Like Bill C-10, Bill C-11 gives the CRTC unprecedented regulatory authority to monitor all online audiovisual content. This power extends to penalizing content creators and platforms and through them, content creators that fail to comply.


- You’ll see less of the content you want most. According to the government, Bill C-11 will ‘increase visibility’ for some officially recognized Canadian content creators– but their tool for doing this is manipulating our playlists, feeds, and algorithmic recommendations.

Another very concerning point to bill C-11 is the language used in the writing of the bill. They use non specific vague terms to categorize a large portion items. The question then becomes, why. Why not use specific defined language to fully flesh out what powers they do and do not obtain thru this bill. Furthermore, When given the recommendation from senate to define and remove portions of the bill that could be used in a malicious manner by government or the CRTC, the government chose to decline the recommendation and push the bill thru. One has to ask, why again. If the end goal is to improve Canadian heritage content (unlikely) why allow it to contain abusive power capabilities.
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Old 05-01-2023, 08:42 AM   #6429
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https://www.michaelgeist.ca/

I suggest on reading his articles, he has been extremely vocal about the dangers of C-11.

Michael Geist is most well known for his work on copyright and privacy laws and protecting Canadian rights, and was championed by the left when he was a vocal opponent of Harper's copyright bill and anti-terrorism bill. He was seen as a voice for Canadians and protecting our rights, and is a staunch supporter of net neutrality.

But now since he has voiced his major concerns on what is a Liberal bill the left has shunned him and branded him on Twitter as a conservative hack.

And it's already started, the ink isn't even dry yet and lobby groups are licking their chops at regulating what we are allowed to watch. Expect a major change in how we we get all media content, especially social media and streaming networks. There are are some here who are downplaying this as just Youtube having to force a few more Canadian content creators to us and how it will just be background noise, but it's so much more than that.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1651727287266557953

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So Netflix will charge more and add a “Canadian Shows you may be interested in” section of horse and buggy crap I will never watch?
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Can bill 11 be used to shutdown Rebel, Western Standard, and True North? Because that'd be a big boost for democracy.
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So Netflix will charge more and add a “Canadian Shows you may be interested in” section of horse and buggy crap I will never watch?
More likely Netflix will reduce its Canadian catalogue by dropping a bunch of non-Canadian content that has low viewing stats to bring itself within the required percentage of CanCon on its platform, no?
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Can bill 11 be used to shutdown Rebel, Western Standard, and True North? Because that'd be a big boost for democracy.
I think, if anything, you might see more from them.
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I think, if anything, you might see more from them.
Isn't it Russian and American content? It certainly isn't Canadian.
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More likely Netflix will reduce its Canadian catalogue by dropping a bunch of non-Canadian content that has low viewing stats to bring itself within the required percentage of CanCon on its platform, no?

Hopefully that’s the case, rather than a Super Bowl commercial scenario, where we lose good stuff, forcing us to watch CanCon. I don’t mind watching well produced shows, but I’m sorry Canada, most of our stuff is garbage, and I won’t be paying for streaming services if they reduce the quality shows, which are already few and far between.
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Basically instead of some algorithm pitching you angsty content from all over the world, a percentage of it will be angsty content from Canada.
Just like the grunge music days.
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Pulled directly from the linked openmedia article. These are serious points of concern for me.

- The short answer – yes. Like Bill C-10, Bill C-11 gives the CRTC unprecedented regulatory authority to monitor all online audiovisual content. This power extends to penalizing content creators and platforms and through them, content creators that fail to comply.


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Mind control. That’s why. The Liberal government plans to rule forever and is planning to do so by controlling the minds of the population one Heritage Minute at a time.
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Hopefully that’s the case, rather than a Super Bowl commercial scenario, where we lose good stuff, forcing us to watch CanCon. I don’t mind watching well produced shows, but I’m sorry Canada, most of our stuff is garbage, and I won’t be paying for streaming services if they reduce the quality shows, which are already few and far between.
I think categorizing certain TV commercials as “good stuff” is probably an issue of it’s own, but I would say there shouldn’t be much worry involved when it comes to being “force fed” CanCon. If you look at all the content on Netflix right now, are you force fed any of it? There are endless shows and movies that are abysmal, but you’ll always have the option to skip them. Like Corsi said, companies like Netflix likely reduce on the low end of the spectrum to hit the percentage. They’re not going to drop popular shows that bring in viewers, that’s just bad business.
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I think categorizing certain TV commercials as “good stuff” is probably an issue of it’s own, but I would say there shouldn’t be much worry involved when it comes to being “force fed” CanCon. If you look at all the content on Netflix right now, are you force fed any of it? There are endless shows and movies that are abysmal, but you’ll always have the option to skip them. Like Corsi said, companies like Netflix likely reduce on the low end of the spectrum to hit the percentage. They’re not going to drop popular shows that bring in viewers, that’s just bad business.

Agreed. “Good Stuff” is very subjective. I enjoyed the year or two we got to see some of the American ads a lot more than seeing the same Telus ad over and over. My concern, as you mention, is it’s hard enough to justify some of these services with how much junk you have to filter through to find something watchable. If it gets watered down even more, it’s probably time to cancel, which is probably a good thing.
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Exactly my point thank you. Why should any government party control this right. You seem okay with it now, what if the next party in government, who you disagree with, now controls those rights.

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