[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Might as well trade Rasmus for Broberg and Jack Campbell if we are going to weaponize space like that. Palat is a negative asset, if the Devils wanted to get rid of him just by himself they would probably have to do a Hayes type deal and eat 3 million a year and get a 6th round pick back. Not even sure a team would be willing to do that as Hayes was probably better at the time he was traded.

Not quite the same but understand what you are saying. I guess I see it as getting a 22 yr old forward who scored 16 goals averaging 11 mins of ice time and is in the doghouse with his team, getting a 10 overall pick to draft a high- end player for the cost of an extra $6MM for one season and a highly overpaid 28 yr old winger only retaining one year.

I don't think Markstrom on his own gets 10 overall, and I don't think a retained Mangiapane gets Holtz on its own.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yall are crazy.

I don't think we're getting 10th oa + Mercer for markstrom and mang lmao.

With retention on Marky and Palat coming back I think NJD would have to add to the 24 1st and Mercer.

We’d be fixing two problems for them. Goaltending and removing a boat anchor contract.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I will believe the report by Royle9 that Markstrom is a Devil. I will guess its 50% retention and we are getting pick 10 back.

Ya I'm hoping Royle9 has some more info for us today

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

With retention on Marky and Palat coming back I think NJD would have to add to the 24 1st and Mercer.

We’d be fixing two problems for them. Goaltending and removing a boat anchor contract.

Why not add both Hughes brothers and Nemec while you are at it?

Palat had down year, but the dude is a gamer and a total stud in the playoffs. That's why they signed him to that contract. The Devils need a LHD for the 2nd pairing way more than they need to move Palat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Why not add both Hughes brothers and Nemec while you are at it?

Palat had down year, but the dude is a gamer and a total stud in the playoffs. That's why they signed him to that contract. The Devils need a LHD for the 2nd pairing way more than they need to move Palat.

Done.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Why not add both Hughes brothers and Nemec while you are at it?

Palat had down year, but the dude is a gamer and a total stud in the playoffs. That's why they signed him to that contract. The Devils need a LHD for the 2nd pairing way more than they need to move Palat.

This is good news, hopefully the Devils see the value in keeping Palat.

[dissentowner]

Where is all this Palat news coming from?? Why would he waive his NMC to leave NJ for Calgary?

[Toonage]

^ Game of telephone. One poster suggested he be in the trade and it took off.

[Badgers Nose]

Discussing this:

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Interesting, wondering if there is something to be done with a package of Markstrom/Mangiapane.

To NJ
Markstrom
Mangiapane (50% retained)

To CGY
Holtz
2024 1st
Palat

Frees up longer term cap for NJ, with a good chance to sign Mangiapane to a reduced contract going forward. Really adds on yr at $6MM for the Flames since the Markstrom and Palat contract balance.

I don't like it. Selling low on Mangiapane, taking back a bad contract that doesn't fit where this team is.

Before you say, just rehab and flip Palat, why not do that with Mangiapane?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We hear this every year

The point isn't to pump Ottawa's tires. it's that they're a team with a bunch of young talent trying to exit a rebuild who need a piece the Flames can provide

A good agent would tell his client that teams like NJ and Ott are (potentially) about to pop

[Paulie Walnuts]

I see no reason for New Jersey to want Andrew Mangiapane.

There is zero need to make this deal complicated bringing in junk like Palat.

We can send Mangipane packing at the deadline.

[3rd liner]

I should know this and this is a dumb question... but can trades happen with playoffs still going? Wouldn't making trades be unfair to the two teams in the SCF? Though maybe the oilers/panthers can still make trades too, the players just can't suit up for them this season. You don't hear about trades at this time of year, but maybe the timing just isn't right.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

I should know this and this is a dumb question... but can trades happen with playoffs still going? Wouldn't making trades be unfair to the two teams in the SCF? Though maybe the oilers/panthers can still make trades too, the players just can't suit up for them this season. You don't hear about trades at this time of year, but maybe the timing just isn't right.

Teams can trade after the deadline I believe as well, the players just can't play for you.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ Game of telephone. One poster suggested he be in the trade and it took off.

I heard the Devils would be willing to send us the Hughes Brothers and Nemec as well.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

I should know this and this is a dumb question... but can trades happen with playoffs still going? Wouldn't making trades be unfair to the two teams in the SCF? Though maybe the oilers/panthers can still make trades too, the players just can't suit up for them this season. You don't hear about trades at this time of year, but maybe the timing just isn't right.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Teams can trade after the deadline I believe as well, the players just can't play for you.

The "Trade Deadline" is only a trade deadline for players that you want to play for you that season.

For teams that are already eliminated, that's not a negative incentive anymore.

In fact, every draft day trade is a "post trade deadline" trade, because the next season always starts on Free agency day.

Generally it doesn't happen, because there is little urgency to make a trade when the GMs like to emjoy their little bit of time off.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The "Trade Deadline" is only a trade deadline for players that you want to play for you that season.

For teams that are already eliminated, that's not a negative incentive anymore.

In fact, every draft day trade is a "post trade deadline" trade, because the next season always starts on Free agency day.

Generally it doesn't happen, because there is little urgency to make a trade when the GMs like to emjoy their little bit of time off.

They say it doesn't happen because the league frowns on the diversion from the cup yet I've seen it happen before.

[SuperMatt18]

It tends to happen when there is more of a pinch point (ie. signing bonus, NTC kicks in, pre. buyout window, etc) but rarely for more hockey trades.

I think overall the league prefers to be able to make more of a splash.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

And nobody was calling Edmonton a cup favourite. And the goalie issue was a notable concern for the canes.

Add a starter to a bubble team even and you have a chance.

Except every media outlet and sportsbook betting odds lol

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Discussing this:



I don't like it. Selling low on Mangiapane, taking back a bad contract that doesn't fit where this team is.

Before you say, just rehab and flip Palat, why not do that with Mangiapane?

You ain’t getting Holtz and the 10th overall for just Markstrom

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Discussing this:



I don't like it. Selling low on Mangiapane, taking back a bad contract that doesn't fit where this team is.

Before you say, just rehab and flip Palat, why not do that with Mangiapane?

Isn't taking on a bad contract that's over during the rebuild exactly where this team is?