[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If this move is accompanied by some significant roster moves then I certainly will back off the inmates running the asylum angle, but if the team is bringing back basically the same team (all teams under go some change) then it is hard not to see the club made the dumb decision to put the blame on the coach and back some very weak minded players.

Players in leagues across all sports have dealt with bad coaches and still played well. Gaudreau and Tkachuk are part of the rumoured people that wanted not part of Sutter look at their play last season. The Kings hated him so much they won Two Cups with him and did jack #### after him. If we are running back the same crew and hoping a new coach is the fix I think there are a lot of reasons to be skeptical about the decision making there.

As for the big two off-season acquisitions even if people want to put the majority of the blame on Sutter, there were large parts of their game last season that were flat out #### that is not the fault of the coach. Kadri's laziness is inexcusable even if he hates the coach for a player making 7 million and brought in for his leadership.

This is true but it’s also true that coaches across all sports get fired when they don’t get results. It’s been pointed out to me a couple of times that most coaches in the NHL last 2-3 years. Sutter lasted 3. We missed the playoffs and the team is a mess. There is a new GM coming in. How many coaches survive this kind of situation? 5%? 10%?

Coaches also get fired significantly more often than core players get traded. Like it or not, Huberdeau and Kadri are part of the core. You can maybe move one of them but you can’t move both. And if neither of them messed with Sutter, what are we going to do? Keep Sutter for 8 years despite poor results and just make everyone deal with it because of some pseudo-machismo old school nonsense? I dunno, seems like a future I’d rather not watch as a fan. I’ll take players that look like they’re having a good time and keeping guys like Lindholm and Backlund, thanks.

[GioforPM]

RIP Gordon Lightfoot.

OT, but so what.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Why is it strange? It was reported that he made the ask when everyone was abandoning ship because he wasn’t interested in a rebuild. Not that it is a current request

What does going to today's announcement have to do with his prior requests. Players usually go to coaching hires or player signings not the firing of the coach.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I know Chucky would love it if Backs got sent to Florida. I forgot which interview he said this in, but when the trade happened he talked about how good of a player Backs is and how it was very emotional saying goodbye to him

Many teams would want Backs but Florida has a log jam at center, Luostarinen already plays wing because of that. So I don't it would be a fit even if Tkachuk would want that.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

The I looked at this was that they were contract year, they were as much playing for Sutter as they were playing for themselves so they can land a big contract. Gaudreau specifically.

Definitely. Sutter made some offhand remarks about players playing for personal stats

The rest of the team played Sutter hockey

They had an all star line, led the league in rush chances, and got paid

[midniteowl]

Well, at least this time around they fired the coach, not trade the player for peanuts and THEN fired the coach like the last time around.

[Sr. Mints]

I am not sad.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Many teams would want Backs but Florida has a log jam at center, Luostarinen already plays wing because of that. So I don't it would be a fit even if Tkachuk would want that.

If they trade for Backlund, I'd hope they'd send a center back to us. And, Tkachuk loves Backlund, when an unicorn wants, unicorn gets.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If this move is accompanied by some significant roster moves then I certainly will back off the inmates running the asylum angle, but if the team is bringing back basically the same team (all teams under go some change) then it is hard not to see the club made the dumb decision to put the blame on the coach and back some very weak minded players.

It's been said multiple times in this thread, but this isn't a 'blame the coach for lack of success' move. It's a toxic environment due to Sutter. Nothing to do with weak minded players. It's that simple.

“I interviewed 25 players, coaching staff, spoke to prominent agents who represent key players on our team,” Maloney said in a press conference Monday afternoon. “It became clear to me that we needed a new voice to guide us.”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Suppose Huby and Kadri were signed for 7 years at a combined ~$20m per season. And they make it clear they can't (or won't) play well under sutter. And the organization knows there is zero trade market for those two players. And so the team is forced to fire the coach.

Would Maloney tell the truth? Or would he say something like "I conducted 25 exit interviews and it became clear to me that we had to move on from the coach".

This is such a terrible reach because of your agenda against Huberdeau and blind faith in Sutter.

It's not just the team even respected reporters like Duha are saying this was the right move due to the atmosphere around the team.

This isn't the first time players have been vocal about halving Sutter fired he won 2 cups in LA and they couldn't wait until he was fired.

You think Murray Edwards is eating 8 million to pay someone not to coach because of Huberdeau and Kadri.

[Pickle Juice]

New ownership now?

https://insidetherink.com/report-the...and-wants-out/

Not sure if this is legit or not?

[Erick Estrada]

The man has had two tenures with the Flames and both times it ended with him completely unravelling. I just don't know what goes through his mind or why things spiral out of control with him. He was a really good player and fantastic coach but it seems the more power he wields, the further he gets away from what made him a really good player in that he just doesn't understand how to manage people and work in a team environment. It's one thing to have the players want him gone but when the GM and trainers want the coach gone it's a sign he just lost the ability to treat people the right way in the workplace. It's really too bad because ideally things would have ended with him riding into the sunset after a successful 2nd term with the team but for reasons only he knows he became his own worst enemy once again. I just can't figure this man out.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

New ownership now?

https://insidetherink.com/report-the...and-wants-out/

Not sure if this is legit or not?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=192443

Most likely bogus.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

New ownership now?

https://insidetherink.com/report-the...and-wants-out/

Not sure if this is legit or not?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=192443

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Definitely. Sutter made some offhand remarks about players playing for personal stats

The rest of the team played Sutter hockey

They had an all star line, led the league in rush chances, and got paid

Not to mention the contact offered to Johnny embarrassed him.

Both guys knew their values got soured by a couple of poor seasons they went rouge and played rush hockey and lit it up.

Even Darryl Sutter wasn't goimg to bench them putting up the points they did.

Both took less money to leave as soon as possible.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If they trade for Backlund, I'd hope they'd send a center back to us. And, Tkachuk loves Backlund, when an unicorn wants, unicorn gets.

The only center they would send back would be Eric Staal lol, they wouldn't move their young roster centers. It's just not a fit since it's the position of strength for them. And I think you're anyway looking at a 1st and a prospect coming back if he gets moved.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Press Level

Then I guess there are no excuses for next season, if his poor effort all season long was the coach's fault.

Maybe I’m wrong, but could these so called professionals maybe STFU and maybe maintain some class instead basting a coach after he is already gone. With respect to Huberdeau, pretty sure Sutter wasn’t the cause of Huberdeaus’ numerous spinorama giveaways, or the fact he is slower than flowing molasses on a -30C winter day, or that he would likely lose a battle with a 2 yr old over a lollipop… completely embarrassing. Maybe it would be nice if Jonathon Huberdeau, amongst others, would maybe take some self accountability and own their own performance instead of it being someone else fault.

I’m not saying that maybe it wasn’t time for Sutter to go and get a new message, but I find it really disturbing that the likes of Huberdeau, Backlund, and Lindholm take complaints public and asks for trades and such. Be a damn professional. All three of those players have one thing in common, they haven’t won jack ####….

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I think it's fine to not want Conroy. Filling roles simply because they are on the supposed path of succession is not always the best way to do things. If there is a better candidate out there then you hire that person. And it was mentioned, Conroy has been involved at a fairly high level with this team for a while, and the results on the ice are not exactly earth shattering, so I am not entirely convinced that he is the right one for the job either.

Involved, yes. But the decisions weren't his.

Just because the results aren't there when the candidate in the apprentice, doesn't mean they won't make a good master.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The only center they would send back would be Eric Staal lol, they wouldn't move their young roster centers. It's just not a fit since it's the position of strength for them. And I think you're anyway looking at a 1st and a prospect coming back if he gets moved.

Well then they don't get Backs! You think Calgary's GM is dumb dumb? We don't need to trade Backs!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Maybe I’m wrong, but could these so called professionals maybe STFU and maybe maintain some class instead basting a coach after he is already gone. With respect to Huberdeau, pretty sure Sutter wasn’t the cause of Huberdeaus’ numerous spinorama giveaways, or the fact he is slower than flowing molasses on a -30C winter day, or that he would likely lose a battle with a 2 yr old over a lollipop… completely embarrassing. Maybe it would be nice if Jonathon Huberdeau, amongst others, would maybe take some self accountability and own their own performance instead of it being someone else fault.

I’m not saying that maybe it wasn’t time for Sutter to go and get a new message, but I find it really disturbing that the likes of Huberdeau, Backlund, and Lindholm take complaints public and asks for trades and such. Be a damn professional. All three of those players have one thing in common, they haven’t won jack ####….

You find it disturbing?

Lindholm, Backlund, and Huberdeau were all professional the entire season. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Even as people trashed them (in the case of Huberdeau) they still put it on themselves.