Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think we're talking in the present in this argument, and in 2015-16, if we're going by PPG:

Kane PPG: 1.29

Ovechkin PPG: .899

Kane's also three years younger.

And you don't even know what the argument is. I said "Is Kane better than Ovechkin now?", as in, because he had one astounding season does that make him a better player overall? No, I wouldn't say it does

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Great post, jemjey. I'm out of thanks but that sums up my thoughts.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said Google it. There are tons of articles. I'm on my phone right now, so it's not the easiest thing to do.

Ah the classic "you do the research" posts.

Listen, you're on a Calgary Flames forum. The only people here are Calgary Flames fans (plus a few Oiler trolls and one very confused Vancouver fan). This is the hot bed of homerism and overvaluing players. We had a fairly reasonable poster a few years ago seriously propose trading an expiring Cammalleri for Jonathan Drouin. We had a mini meltdown when Dustin Boyd hadn't signed a new deal. We had an actual meltdown when there was an April Fools day prank that said Johnny was going back to BC for his senior year. To this day no one on this forum has forgiven Kerry Fraser.

So if we're telling you that your opinions are outrageous, that should really tell you something.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Ah the classic "you do the research" posts.

Listen, you're on a Calgary Flames forum. The only people here are Calgary Flames fans (plus a few Oiler trolls and one very confused Vancouver fan). This is the hot bed of homerism and overvaluing players. We literally had a fairly reasonable poster a few years ago seriously propose trading an expiring Cammalleri for Jonathan Drouin. We had a mini meltdown when Dustin Boyd hadn't signed a new deal. We had an actual meltdown when there was an April Fools day prank that said Johnny was going back to BC for his senior year. To this day no one on this forum has forgiven Kerry Fraser.

So if we're telling you that your opinions are outrageous, that should really tell you something.

Here's 3 more examples

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle31501620/

"But Gaudreau is in a completely different category because of his unique value to the organization. The baby-faced, five-foot-seven scoring machine is the public face of the franchise, in the same way Jarome Iginla was previously and Theo Fleury before that."

http://thehockeywriters.com/predicti...-new-contract/

"I’ll say $7.25 million over seven years. But it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him garner #$7.5 over the same time period."

http://m.calgarysun.com/2016/08/19/f...fore-world-cup

"a longterm deal sure to average in the neighbourhood of the $7.5 million"

So that's now 2 radio interviews and 4 articles. I must not be that out to lunch . . .

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Translation: I can't find anything credible to back up my claim.

Or maybe I'm on my phone putting my new born daughter to sleep? I dropped a few more sources for you.

[MrMastodonFarm]

If you love your new born daughter half as much as you love Gaudreau she's a very lucky young lady.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Here's 3 more examples

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle31501620/

"But Gaudreau is in a completely different category because of his unique value to the organization. The baby-faced, five-foot-seven scoring machine is the public face of the franchise, in the same way Jarome Iginla was previously and Theo Fleury before that."

http://thehockeywriters.com/predicti...-new-contract/

"I’ll say $7.25 million over seven years. But it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him garner #$7.5 over the same time period."

http://m.calgarysun.com/2016/08/19/f...fore-world-cup

"a longterm deal sure to average in the neighbourhood of the $7.5 million"

So that's now 2 radio interviews and 4 articles. I must not be that out to lunch . . .

So your further proof of point is another blogger, Duhatschek only saying that the situation is complicated, and Eric Francis?

ok

[Nage Waza]

The media has certainly jumped on the Gaudreau train. He is the key to our future success, is most likely the leading offensive talent for us for years, and will compete for top league honours at some point in his future. If any of our prospects/players compete points wise with Gaudreau, we have a legit chance at a cup. Drafting this kid is basically the NHL equivalent of winning the lottery.

What would our team be without him? I don't believe Monahan scores nearly as many goals, I don't believe the rebuild is considered even close to being done, and I doubt we even get to play the Canucks a year ago.

As I have mentioned earlier in this thread, Gaudreau is the best player I have seen on the flames, ever. The amount of times (per game) that he literally makes the crowd look in awe is not something any Flame has done before. I know it is his hockey style, but when he is top ten in points his second year, it says something. Size wize, I would be more concerned with Lucic sized player and his size slowing him down over time than I would be with the size of Gaudreau, and I hope I am correct on that one.

Johnny will sign the biggest contract in Flames history (we hope) - he is certainly not earning that money because of Scorpion's post.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/w...nsive-players/

[MrMastodonFarm]

So yeah, this might be pedantic, but I wanted to see some articles on why Gaudreau is the "most important assest", which is what you said. The goal posts are moving a bit here, this little off shoot debate isn't who will make the most money. Gaudreau is obviously a major part of the team, but he's just one cog and figuratively he might not be the biggest. Johnny's deal is going to be bigger than a guy like Brodie's but it could easily be argued that Brodie is a more important asset. You seem to be saying that pay day = importance and I don't agree with that.

Even the articles you've posted only attempt dollar figures. The quotes don't back up your claim of most important asset.

At that time, I also called Monahan the workhorse of the Calgary Flames. He’s not short on talent, but his accomplishments go far more unnoticed than one of his teammates — Johnny Gaudreau. Gaudreau is a highlight reel in the making. Of the two, he’s easily the flashier player and like Monahan, Gaudreau has established himself as a building block in Calgary and an essential piece the Flames will build around for years. Also like Monahan, it makes sense to provide Gaudreau with a long-term contract, lock him up and keep him as part of the fold for as long as possible.

Monahan and probably Sam Bennett will all help the team turn the corner on the ice

The Eric Francis article suggested Monahan would be closer to the 7 million mark (6.7) than the 6.3 he settled at, so maybe we shouldn't take all these guesses at face value.

Seems to be a disconnect here.

[AC]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If you love your new born daughter half as much as you love Gaudreau she's a very lucky young lady.

[Huntingwhale]

^^^ gold!!

[calgaryblood]

I'm confused, why haven't we forgiven Kerry Fraser?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I'm confused, why haven't we forgiven Kerry Fraser?

Game 7 2004 SCF

[djsFlames]

Who was the last Flames forward to break 100 points? Theo? Jarome got close twice but no cigar. Johnny will be the next, that's all I know. And likely in the next 3 seasons.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Game 7 2004 SCF

What happened in game 7? I think you mean game 6, but even then why are we blaming Kerry Fraser?

[Party Elephant]

I think the Kerry Fraser bad calls were in game 4?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So yeah, this might be pedantic, but I wanted to see some articles on why Gaudreau is the "most important assest", which is what you said. The goal posts are moving a bit here, this little off shoot debate isn't who will make the most money. Gaudreau is obviously a major part of the team, but he's just one cog and figuratively he might not be the biggest. Johnny's deal is going to be bigger than a guy like Brodie's but it could easily be argued that Brodie is a more important asset. You seem to be saying that pay day = importance and I don't agree with that.

Even the articles you've posted only attempt dollar figures. The quotes don't back up your claim of most important asset.




The Eric Francis article suggested Monahan would be closer to the 7 million mark (6.7) than the 6.3 he settled at, so maybe we shouldn't take all these guesses at face value.

Seems to be a disconnect here.

Reread my original post - I said these sources all envision Johnny as getting paid more than Monahan, which is commensurate with his value (why would the flames choose to pay the more valuable asset less?)

Monahan is a great young player, but he is more replaceable than Gaudreau, as there are more good young centers in the league (we've got one of them) than there are PPG 22 year olds. The guy runs our offense.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Stamkos
Crosby
Ovechkin
Jagr
Nash
Tavares
Toews
Malkin
Monahan


Those are the 9 active players who meet your criteria. Pretty much a who's who of elite offensive players.

Did you just run the numbers to get that list or did you pull it from a source?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Did you just run the numbers to get that list or did you pull it from a source?

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Monahan is a great young player, but he is more replaceable than Gaudreau, as there are more good young centers in the league (we've got one of them) than there are PPG 22 year olds. The guy runs our offense.

I keep ALMOST jumping on board, and then you say something completely off base.

There are more good young 21 year old centres available than PPG 22 year old wingers?

Maybe... but how many are available? Do you know why they aren't available? Because they are crucial and incredibly hard to come by. Top wingers get traded more often (and seem to be in more rumours) than top centres.

And don't go saying we could just replace Monahan with Bennett. We don't even know if Bennett is any good yet.

I still can't figure out if you're just ridiculously overrating Gaudreau or criminally understating Monahan and the centre position in general. Honestly, it might be both, and that's a lot of things to be way off about.