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Old 06-11-2025, 09:20 PM   #6361
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When your cabbie is Nick Locarno you kind of have to accept the risks.

The Nova Squadron Star-Burst maneuver is tough to pull off in a Chevy Impala in traffic.
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Old 06-11-2025, 09:20 PM   #6362
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All cars can drive themselves, if you're brave enough.
Like getting on the highway at speed, closing your eyes, throwing your hands up in the air and yelling Jesus take the wheel?
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Like getting on the highway at speed, closing your eyes, throwing your hands up in the air and yelling Jesus take the wheel?
Is he not your Co-Pilot? Because that's your choice!

My co-pilot is most often my dog and, while cute and all, he's not usually a whole lot of help.
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Old 06-11-2025, 09:50 PM   #6364
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Is he not your Co-Pilot? Because that's your choice!

My co-pilot is most often my dog and, while cute and all, he's not usually a whole lot of help.

Perhaps having another life form, albeit a dog, in the car with you will cause the FSD / AI to choose you if the trolley dilemma ever arises. So, he could help, in a weird kind of way.
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Old 06-12-2025, 03:11 AM   #6365
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A Tesla with FSD engaged is far safer than some random car being driven by some average driver.
This is total BS, and has been statistically proven to be BS, despite Tesla actively trying to lie about everything related to FSD.

People massively underestimate how good humans really are.

It's not rare for humans to never cause a crash in their life, and even extremely common for humans to not cause a crash more than maybe once a decade, and most of those are ultimately harmless scrapes. The vast majority of people, aka average drivers, never cause even one serious crash in their life, despite all the changes to technology and roads that have happened in that time.

What machine has that kind of reliability? You really think you could take a current FSD and trust it to keep you safe from harm every day for the next 50 years?

Let's remember that currently most FSD accidents are prevented by people, not just people in the "FSD" car taking control, but also people in other cars responding to FSD doing crazy things.

Also, FSD cars are all relatively new right now, which in itself massively drops the risk of technical issues. Give it a decade and let's see how they function when every part in the car is a bit worn out. Plus FSD's typically aren't used in high risk situations like bad weather or navigating road construction areas.

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Trump is expected to sign a measure blocking California's vehicle emissions rules

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Old 06-12-2025, 09:39 AM   #6367
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https://chatgpt.com/share/684af544-f...4-b4bceb61a8cc

Below is a broad summary of the major criticisms and faults that have been directed at him across different domains:

1. Management Style
Erratic and harsh leadership: Musk is known for setting extreme work expectations, including long hours and demanding deadlines. Former employees at Tesla and SpaceX have described the environment as “toxic” or “high-pressure.”
Micromanagement: Critics argue Musk frequently micromanages projects and undermines teams, especially when timelines are missed or he disagrees with engineering directions.
Firing by impulse: He has reportedly fired employees on the spot based on brief interactions, including during his acquisition of Twitter (now X).

2. Communication and Public Behavior
Controversial tweets/posts: Musk’s social media behavior has caused major consequences:
The infamous "funding secured" tweet about taking Tesla private in 2018 led to SEC action and a $40 million fine.
Sharing misinformation or trolling behavior, especially after his Twitter acquisition.
Unprofessional tone: He often mocks critics, journalists, politicians, and even former employees online. This includes memes and insults considered unbecoming for a CEO.

3. Twitter/X Takeover
Mass layoffs and culture shift: After acquiring Twitter in 2022, Musk laid off a significant portion of staff, changed the company culture, and made sweeping policy changes that many saw as erratic.
Platform moderation: Critics argue that he weakened content moderation, allowing misinformation and hate speech to flourish.
Monetization and verification: Changes to verification and the introduction of pay-for-play features angered many users and drove advertisers away.

4. Labor Practices
Anti-union stance: Musk and Tesla have been accused of union-busting activities. The NLRB ruled that Tesla unlawfully fired a union activist and that Musk’s tweets violated labor law.
Worker safety: Tesla factories have faced numerous OSHA investigations. There have been allegations of underreporting injuries and unsafe working conditions.
Discrimination allegations: Tesla has faced lawsuits over racism and harassment, including a significant verdict ($137 million, later reduced) awarded to a Black employee.

5. Ethical and Legal Concerns
SEC violations: Musk has faced multiple run-ins with the SEC over tweets that impacted stock prices.
False claims: He has made exaggerated or misleading statements about Tesla’s Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology, which critics argue endangers the public.
Alleged insider trading: Some investors and analysts have questioned timing of Musk’s stock sales and company announcements.

6. Personal Conduct
Sexual misconduct allegation: A 2022 report alleged SpaceX paid a settlement to a flight attendant who accused Musk of sexual misconduct. Musk denied the allegations.
Family and relationships: Musk's complex personal life and behavior in relationships have occasionally drawn public scrutiny, especially in relation to the mother of some of his children and custody disputes.

7. Grandstanding or Overpromising
Missed deadlines: Musk is infamous for making bold promises (e.g., robotaxis by 2020, Mars colonization by 2025) and often missing them by years or failing to deliver at all.
Hype vs. reality: Critics argue he overhypes technologies (Neuralink, Hyperloop, FSD) to inflate public interest or stock prices without commensurate results.

8. Political and Ideological Shifts
Culture war engagement: Musk has increasingly aligned himself with right-wing or contrarian figures and causes, alienating many former supporters.
Attacks on media and institutions: He often criticizes mainstream media, fact-checkers, government agencies, and watchdog groups, casting doubt on their legitimacy.

9. Environmental Concerns
While Tesla promotes sustainability, critics point out:
High resource extraction: Lithium and rare earth mining for EVs still have large environmental and social costs.
Jet usage: Musk’s frequent use of a private jet contradicts his green image.

10. Influence and Wealth
Wealth inequality: Musk’s status as one of the richest people on Earth draws criticism amid rising economic inequality.
Stock manipulation claims: Some believe Musk uses his influence and social media to manipulate markets to his benefit.

This does not even include drug addiction, filing SLAPP lawsuits, fascist messaging, enormous conflicts of interest, bribery, being an illegal alien, apartheid mining roots, malignant narcissism and sociopathy, lack of empathy, habitual liar, promiscuity, russian asset, dependence on government pork, helping Trump get elected (knowing he is a pedo) etc.. Anyone carrying water for Elon is very tone deaf, and should avoid Elon Facebook fanboy channels.

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Old 06-12-2025, 01:30 PM   #6369
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Lawsuit accuses Musk of bribing Wisconsin voters with cash prizes
A complaint says Musk violated the state’s election law in “a brazen scheme to bribe Wisconsin citizens to vote” during the state’s high-stakes Supreme Court election.

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https://chatgpt.com/share/684af544-f...4-b4bceb61a8cc

Below is a broad summary of the major criticisms and faults that have been directed at him across different domains:

1. Management Style
Erratic and harsh leadership: Musk is known for setting extreme work expectations, including long hours and demanding deadlines. Former employees at Tesla and SpaceX have described the environment as “toxic” or “high-pressure.”
Micromanagement: Critics argue Musk frequently micromanages projects and undermines teams, especially when timelines are missed or he disagrees with engineering directions.
Firing by impulse: He has reportedly fired employees on the spot based on brief interactions, including during his acquisition of Twitter (now X).

2. Communication and Public Behavior
Controversial tweets/posts: Musk’s social media behavior has caused major consequences:
The infamous "funding secured" tweet about taking Tesla private in 2018 led to SEC action and a $40 million fine.
Sharing misinformation or trolling behavior, especially after his Twitter acquisition.
Unprofessional tone: He often mocks critics, journalists, politicians, and even former employees online. This includes memes and insults considered unbecoming for a CEO.

3. Twitter/X Takeover
Mass layoffs and culture shift: After acquiring Twitter in 2022, Musk laid off a significant portion of staff, changed the company culture, and made sweeping policy changes that many saw as erratic.
Platform moderation: Critics argue that he weakened content moderation, allowing misinformation and hate speech to flourish.
Monetization and verification: Changes to verification and the introduction of pay-for-play features angered many users and drove advertisers away.

4. Labor Practices
Anti-union stance: Musk and Tesla have been accused of union-busting activities. The NLRB ruled that Tesla unlawfully fired a union activist and that Musk’s tweets violated labor law.
Worker safety: Tesla factories have faced numerous OSHA investigations. There have been allegations of underreporting injuries and unsafe working conditions.
Discrimination allegations: Tesla has faced lawsuits over racism and harassment, including a significant verdict ($137 million, later reduced) awarded to a Black employee.

5. Ethical and Legal Concerns
SEC violations: Musk has faced multiple run-ins with the SEC over tweets that impacted stock prices.
False claims: He has made exaggerated or misleading statements about Tesla’s Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology, which critics argue endangers the public.
Alleged insider trading: Some investors and analysts have questioned timing of Musk’s stock sales and company announcements.

6. Personal Conduct
Sexual misconduct allegation: A 2022 report alleged SpaceX paid a settlement to a flight attendant who accused Musk of sexual misconduct. Musk denied the allegations.
Family and relationships: Musk's complex personal life and behavior in relationships have occasionally drawn public scrutiny, especially in relation to the mother of some of his children and custody disputes.

7. Grandstanding or Overpromising
Missed deadlines: Musk is infamous for making bold promises (e.g., robotaxis by 2020, Mars colonization by 2025) and often missing them by years or failing to deliver at all.
Hype vs. reality: Critics argue he overhypes technologies (Neuralink, Hyperloop, FSD) to inflate public interest or stock prices without commensurate results.

8. Political and Ideological Shifts
Culture war engagement: Musk has increasingly aligned himself with right-wing or contrarian figures and causes, alienating many former supporters.
Attacks on media and institutions: He often criticizes mainstream media, fact-checkers, government agencies, and watchdog groups, casting doubt on their legitimacy.

9. Environmental Concerns
While Tesla promotes sustainability, critics point out:
High resource extraction: Lithium and rare earth mining for EVs still have large environmental and social costs.
Jet usage: Musk’s frequent use of a private jet contradicts his green image.

10. Influence and Wealth
Wealth inequality: Musk’s status as one of the richest people on Earth draws criticism amid rising economic inequality.
Stock manipulation claims: Some believe Musk uses his influence and social media to manipulate markets to his benefit.

This does not even include drug addiction, filing SLAPP lawsuits, fascist messaging, enormous conflicts of interest, bribery, being an illegal alien, apartheid mining roots, malignant narcissism and sociopathy, lack of empathy, habitual liar, promiscuity, russian asset, dependence on government pork, helping Trump get elected (knowing he is a pedo) etc.. Anyone carrying water for Elon is very tone deaf, and should avoid Elon Facebook fanboy channels.
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Is the whole suing/threatening companies because they quit/dont/wont advertise on X on that list?
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The robotaxi service will initially be limited to Tesla employees, with its roughly dozen or so cars geo-fenced to the city of Austin. It's likely that to facilitate the launch, the automaker will be heavily relying on teleoperators, or employees who supervise the cars from a remote location, with the purpose of taking over the vehicles in an emergency. That's something that all robotaxi companies depend on, but Tesla has kept suspiciously quiet about the extent of its teleoperations.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/teslas-rob...211215845.html


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Tesla Robotaxi.

The very moment Tesla puts 100 robotaxis on the road, 87 of them are going to get summoned to a random back alley on a burner phone, and set on fire.

The other 13 will be used for a ride somewhere, with the rider taking a big greasy dump in the seat before getting out.

In fairness, 2 of those will be Musk cultists who just lost bowel control due to Ketamine emulation of their dear leader.

Tesla is a dead brand.
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A mannequin simulating a child crossing the street .. was crushed over and over again by a Tesla equipped with a self-driving feature on Thursday — safety advocates' latest warning .. as it prepares to launch robotaxis on Austin roads.”
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A mannequin simulating a child crossing the street .. was crushed over and over again by a Tesla equipped with a self-driving feature on Thursday — safety advocates' latest warning .. as it prepares to launch robotaxis on Austin roads.”
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They still can't read and understand school zone signs, or really any signs other than speed, so I'm not sure how that works for full autonomy.
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How will they know the next McDonalds is 200m away on the right?
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Looked like the teslas were just driving past the school bus with its stop signs out and its flashing lights on.
Or maybe the teslas just hated them kids (mannequins)
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It's fine, everyone relax.

"(FSD is) truly amazing, and if it wasn’t then Tesla would not be putting driverless cars out on the roads in Austin like they are right now"
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They still can't read and understand school zone signs, or really any signs other than speed, so I'm not sure how that works for full autonomy.
Yup completely useless for the 30kmh pedestrian crossings. Sees it, sets speed to 30 doesn’t know to change back.
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