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Old 11-17-2020, 09:50 AM   #6361
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You won't have to wait until 2024. If the Democrats couldn't slam dunk this election, they're going to get dominated in 2022.
Yeah, this... Bill Maher put it perfectly on Friday night, one of his best Real Time New Rules segments in a while.

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If you were an adult male that completed your military training.
seems like a lower bar than 'If you are white'
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Old 11-17-2020, 09:54 AM   #6363
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The US is far from being the oldest democracy in the western hemisphere, that is just their typical claims to being #1. Greece(Athenian) was a democracy long before the US even existed...
Nobody ever really mentions France???
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That's so sad and infuriating.
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You won't have to wait until 2024. If the Democrats couldn't slam dunk this election, they're going to get dominated in 2022.
Really? Dems just got a record turnout and vote total. The Republicans did the same, and all on the back of the cult of personality. If this ever becomes anything but a vote to defend Trumpism (racism, stupidity, racism, racism, living in an alternative universe based on racism) then the Republicans are in massive trouble. People like to think that the anti-Trump vote brought people out, but it appears the pro-Trump support was even more effective. When that dries up, and it becomes a policy discussion, what do the Republicans have to stand on? Absolutely nothing. Trumpism will be with us for decades, but without the dear leader, it won't have that sustaining pull to the polls.
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That's so sad and infuriating.
That is the damage disinformation can do. Drinking the Kool-Aid and becoming a member of the alternative reality is dangerous to the nation, but also dangerous to oneself, especially during a pandemic. Facts matter. Truth matters. Truth based on facts is what drives our species forward. Alternative facts are just creating a herd thinning event.
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Really? Dems just got a record turnout and vote total. The Republicans did the same, and all on the back of the cult of personality. If this ever becomes anything but a vote to defend Trumpism (racism, stupidity, racism, racism, living in an alternative universe based on racism) then the Republicans are in massive trouble. People like to think that the anti-Trump vote brought people out, but it appears the pro-Trump support was even more effective. When that dries up, and it becomes a policy discussion, what do the Republicans have to stand on? Absolutely nothing. Trumpism will be with us for decades, but without the dear leader, it won't have that sustaining pull to the polls.
The Dems got record turnout and still couldn't win the senate and got less seats in the house. As this was a vote to defend Trumpism, this was also an energized vote to repudiate it, and it still barely made it. So yes, really.
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The leverage they have over Lady G must be pretty good

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Really? Dems just got a record turnout and vote total. The Republicans did the same, and all on the back of the cult of personality. If this ever becomes anything but a vote to defend Trumpism (racism, stupidity, racism, racism, living in an alternative universe based on racism) then the Republicans are in massive trouble. People like to think that the anti-Trump vote brought people out, but it appears the pro-Trump support was even more effective. When that dries up, and it becomes a policy discussion, what do the Republicans have to stand on? Absolutely nothing. Trumpism will be with us for decades, but without the dear leader, it won't have that sustaining pull to the polls.
I don't know about that. Trump lost states where the GOP won the Senate and/or House. This was a referendum on Trump and he lost but the GOP increased their support across the board. I think the reason the reason for this is two-fold:

1- Generally, Democrats are not speaking effectively to the issues the majority of the country cares about. They focus on climate change, social issues and the economy. But even when they talk about the economy they tend to get into the minutia. Most Americans don't spend much time thinking about politics or listening to politicians and don't care what percentage the top 27% of earners are paying in tax. White working class men, in particular, have been experiencing a decline in their quality of life for decades. It could be argued if it's deserved to bring them back to the mean or even real, but it's real and problematic to many of them. The Democrats often waive it away as 'privilege' while championing the cause of marginalized groups in the country. They are making white working class males feel like a marginalized, ignored group. Blue-collar union workers used to be the foundation of the Democratic voter.

2- Meanwhile, the Republicans are recognizing the angst of white working class males and providing reasons for their failings mostly by giving them enemies to blame for their problems. Mexicans, Muslims, Blacks, women, immigrants in general, LGBTQ, ((globalists)), Deep State and eventually the Democratic Party in general are all to blame.

As long as the Democrats continue to pay lip service or even ignore this group of people, they will continue to struggle to win elections. The Democrats need to give more voice to people like Yang and Sanders in shaping the party platform. There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a young, angry man with nothing to lose.
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Yeah, this... Bill Maher put it perfectly on Friday night, one of his best Real Time New Rules segments in a while.

It just baffles me though that the republican party can embrace the extreme and no one bats an eye, but if the democratic party is not instantly dismissive of every single fringe statement, that they are a toxic brand.
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It just baffles me though that the republican party can embrace the extreme and no one bats an eye, but if the democratic party is not instantly dismissive of every single fringe statement, that they are a toxic brand.
People will tolerate a lot of #### for tax and regulation cuts.
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People will tolerate a lot of #### for tax and regulation cuts.
Tolerate? Many of them straight up love the ####.

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If you were an adult male that completed your military training.
If we're looking for the first country to have full universal suffrage for its citizens with no restrictions other than age, it's New Zealand in 1893.
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If we're looking for the first country to have full universal suffrage for its citizens with no restrictions other than age, it's New Zealand in 1893.
Because the Commonwealth rules.
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It just baffles me though that the republican party can embrace the extreme and no one bats an eye, but if the democratic party is not instantly dismissive of every single fringe statement, that they are a toxic brand.
The drawback for the left in any country is that it wants to do things that improve life for a minority, a large minority but a minority none the less, the advantage of the right is that it can make the argument, generally falsely, but it is still a good pitch, that it's policies make everyone a bit richer with tax cuts.

The left has struggled to update its message from a century ago when the vast majority had nothing to lose and faced death as a very real consequence of job loss to today when almost everyone has some stake in the system, we all have shiny things we like, cell phones, cars etc and it is a lot easier to get people to vote to keep what they have rather than take a leap into the unknown, that problem is compounded by the left being now reduced to competing with the right for some variation of 'you will be better off if you vote for us' when the basis of the left's philosophy is really a system that is fairer, not richer but it means the left is now always going to be fighting on the rights home turf.
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It just baffles me though that the republican party can embrace the extreme and no one bats an eye
We've just spent four years doing nothing but obsessing over what an absolute travesty the Republican party is, barely spending a day without thinking and talking and being upset about it, re-hashing endlessly the seemingly inexhaustible extremes they're willing to go to and the utter lack of decency and shame they've displayed, and what an absolute horror show it all is... and your conclusion is that "no one bats an eye"?
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Republicans have become what they have claim to have hated.

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People will tolerate a lot of #### for tax and regulation cuts.
Most of the time the majority doesn’t even see the tax cuts. It’s just money getting moved around.

Who are all these Trump supporters that saw major tax breaks, besides the one percenters?
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