Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[really?]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think others have nailed it. If you traded Tkachuk yesterday you basically are significantly lowering the chances of re-signing Johnny. They weren't going to do that at this stage.

That first domino needs to fall.

Totally accurate and this is the product of a failure to be proactive. It is understandable that the team needed to show Gaudreau they were committed to winning and Treliving paid a price to do that. Now they are in limbo hoping he decides to stay. They will have to pay a premium and face a similar scenario with Tkachuk. I think Treliving is a real solid manager, but hopefully he has learned from this. His deadline needed to be when the trade clause activated, as that was the last date the team had any measure of leverage. I understand Gaudreau probably wouldn't have signed given the recent history of the team, but now they've charted a course that has cost them assets and left them with only a pail full of hope. Not an enviable position.

As an aside, given the cap, if you're going to commit McDavid/Draisaitl money to players, they better be commensurate talents. Gaudreau and Tkachuk are rock solid players, but not sure they are enough to carry the team to anything beyond good. If you can't sign them without leaving room to pursue high end players, these signings will likely result in the Flames being Oilers-light. (pained me to type that)

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Aaand you know this was possible how?

It has been talked about at length by Boomer on 960, and by johnny himself that they were close on an extension last summer. Yes I have no ideas on the numbers, but Boomer mentioned his source told him they were very close, but management wanted to wait and see how this season went.

[Fischy13]

While I think 9.5-10 is more than fair for a JG extension, what I think is lost in negotiations for all players is the possibility or likelihood of being made whole for past seasons they were underpaid. I could understand and maybe get on board paying 1-1.5M preseason over a fair rate to make up for JG making 6.75 as a 115 point player. 11M makes some sense in that regard.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

And a good morning to all of you as we come to the realization that all of our wounds are self-inflicted and we will likely never win under Edwards' ownership.

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

What an amazing add to the conversation.

Do you think your contribution was edge of seat stuff?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think others have nailed it. If you traded Tkachuk yesterday you basically are significantly lowering the chances of re-signing Johnny. They weren't going to do that at this stage.

That first domino needs to fall.

This is why analysts were saying the Flames were desperate to get a deal done before the draft - waiting on Gaudreau’s decision handcuffs them.

This has the feel of the Iginla deal. Management can’t do what’s best for the team because the superstar player has all the leverage. And the superstar player has all the leverage because ownership refused to let management make a tough choice sooner.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would say the following.

1. It is a consistent pattern regardless of the GM. The owners are the consistent variable
2. Being smart at business doesn't make them smart at running a hockey team. In fact at times they are at odds. Squeaking into the playoffs to get some home playoff dates maximizes revenue at the time of the year where costs are at the lowest.

I'll never understand filthy rich people. They get so addicted to using everyone else's money while they accumulate their personal wealth that any personal expenditures no matter how small for them are like pulling teeth. Never truly committing to win a Stanley Cup because you would rather make a few extra million a season just scratching and clawing to get in the 1st round in the big picture is just so incredibly dumb. I would be embarrassed to have my name associated with a professional sports team that's never truly committed to winning a championship. Edwards is going to die one day and all that money he accumulated won't mean a goddamn thing but winning another Stanley Cup sure would be another feather in his cap but he's just so blinded by the hollowness of wealth and fortune that he's probably never going to wise up and realize that rich people are a dime a dozen on this planet but owners of championship winning teams have legacies that precede them.

[Sec214]

Oh we are blaming Murray Edwards now for Johnny possibly Leaving? Y’all grasping now - if he leaves it’s not about money. He wants to go home.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Do you think your contribution was edge of seat stuff?

Not really, but I have been posting back and forth with ppl and having discussions.

You just did a drive by that you seem to call others out for.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Oh we are blaming Murray Edwards now for Johnny possibly Leaving? Y’all grasping now - if he leaves it’s not about money. He wants to go home.

No we are blaming Edwards for the predicament the organization is in. If things go bad Treliving is going to take all the heat but it really should be directed to Edwards.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Oh we are blaming Murray Edwards now for Johnny possibly Leaving? Y’all grasping now - if he leaves it’s not about money. He wants to go home.

No that's not what people are saying. Not even close.
We are talking about why this organization has a pattern of not proactively managing the asset base better.

[Sec214]

How so, Tre is authorized to spend to the cap. Im confused how it’s Murray edwards fault…

Same owners almost let a GM cripple us with Brad Richards…

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Not really, but I have been posting back and forth with ppl and having discussions.

You just did a drive by that you seem to call others out for.

Not the way I see it.

You're upset with a gm because he's not doing anything. I pointed out the dates line up in a way that has them needing to know what Gaudreau is going to do.

You introduced the suggestion. I have every right to point out the schedule of events isn't on any GM.

Maybe you have thin skin?

[Hockey_Ninja]

The sooner the Flames ownership moves away from the old boys club mentality the better it’ll be for the franchise

[Sec214]

Thanks Jiri.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'll never understand filthy rich people. They get so addicted to using everyone else's money while they accumulate their personal wealth that any personal expenditures no matter how small for them are like pulling teeth. Never truly committing to win a Stanley Cup because you would rather make a few extra million a season just scratching and clawing to get in the 1st round in the big picture is just so incredibly dumb. I would be embarrassed to have my name associated with a professional sports team that's never truly committed to winning a championship. Edwards is going to die one day and all that money he accumulated won't mean a goddamn thing but winning another Stanley Cup sure would be another feather in his cap but he's just so blinded by the hollowness of wealth and fortune that he's probably never going to wise up and realize that rich people are a dime a dozen on this planet but owners of championship winning teams have legacies that precede them.

These mega-rich business tycoons are such extreme personality types that it’s hard to understand what motivates them. The extra gate revenue of the playoff dates? Bragging rights among other owners? The damage to the ego of having a bad team for years? Thinking they’re smarter than their peers and the people they hire, so they can chart their own path to success? Who knows. All I know is I’d prefer a hands-off owner.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sec214

How so, Tre is authorized to spend to the cap. Im confused how it’s Murray edwards fault…

Same owners almost let a GM cripple us with Brad Richards…

What does spending to the cap have to do with it.
I would strongly suspect that ownership would be advised and have input on how to handle Johnny. Including any consideration to trade him in the past.

And the Richards point reinforces the point. This ownership wants the team to compete. Always. Even when they did a re-build the expectation was that it was VERY short and then get back to competing.

Spending to the cap is just part of that.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not the way I see it.

You're upset with a gm because he's not doing anything. I pointed out the dates line up in a way that has them needing to know what Gaudreau is going to do.

You introduced the suggestion. I have every right to point out the schedule of events isn't on any GM.

Maybe you have thin skin?

Ha! I am laying in bed having coffee. I am not upset at all.

But your definitely looking to take pokes out of nowhere. But hey it's your right to do so.

Enjoy your day Bingo

[dino7c]

Flames were one of the best teams in the NHL last season not scratching and clawing for a playoff round.

2 division titles the last 2 full NHL seasons

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ha! I am laying in bed having coffee. I am not upset at all.

But your definitely looking to take pokes out of nowhere. But hey it's your right to do so.

Enjoy your day Bingo

Treliving doesn't have control of the schedule is a mean spirited personal attack?

Maybe take a little ownership for suggesting something that can easily be debunked.