2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by bax

The same Johnny Gaudreau that has never been injured from a hit in over 600 games played?

Didn't he miss time because he was slashed in the wrist against the wild that one year? If he didnt miss time, he wasn't the same player for a while.

Valimaki and a 2026 second round pick for Mitch Marner at 50%. Maybe the Flames add Dube and the rights to Hanowski and/or Jankowski....but it would have to happen now to make sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah who wants a soft, one-dimensional winger who got 80 points once, and who costs $7M/yr when we can have a top pairing D at $4.9M?

FYP and I agree

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

We have 4 really good D and a couple more. I don’t think removing a top 4 D is worth the kind of RW you could get. No elite RW is being moved because they are, well, elite. I think in any situation in which you trade Hanifin for a RW, Hanifin is the better player. And now you have a huge hole at D, one that’s not filled by Kylington, Zadorov, Stone, Mackey or Valimaki.

Elite players get moved. Debrincat was just moved. If it isn’t for an elite player then obviously you don’t do it. There isn’t anyone fighting for settling on a trade for Hanifin just to trade him away. This has been one of the weirder player debates I’ve been a part of.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I can understand if people were suggesting Hanifin for a third line guy or a second round pick or saying "addition by subtraction" but the trade proposals seem to be for actual good guys.

I do agree with the assessment on Hague, I do think he could explode in the right situation. Imagine him turning into a someone like Pronger...

Or at least a meaner version of Colton Parayko, which wouldn't hurt at all. Since we're all down on a Hanifin trade, what do we all think we could get for Kylington? Speedy D-man who put up 31 pts in 73 games (pro-rated 34 pts in 82 games), really good advanced stats in both the regular season and playoffs. Surely we could get a suitable second-liner for a player like that?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Elite players get moved. Debrincat was just moved. If it isn’t for an elite player then obviously you don’t do it. There isn’t anyone fighting for settling on a trade for Hanifin just to trade him away. This has been one of the weirder player debates I’ve been a part of.

Actually, pretty much every proposal so far has been for a player worth less than Hanifin.

But let's here your proposal - who do we trade him for?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

FYP and I agree

Don't quote me an change the text please

Disagree if you like

Most TO players are over rated...Nylander is under rated IMO.

7M for an 80 point forward is a bargain

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Actually, pretty much every proposal so far has been for a player worth less than Hanifin.

But let's here your proposal - who do we trade him for?

It’s like you’re deliberately trying to miss the very basic point I made. The only reason I keep responding is because I keep getting “and yet!”s which then avoid my point again. I’m finding it odd but I can’t look away and stop responding. In the bolded here, you’ve responded with a point I specifically didn’t make again. Nobody is saying we have to trade Hanifin for the sake of it.

We all love Hanifin.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't quote me an change the text please

Disagree if you like

Most TO players are over rated...Nylander is under rated IMO.

7M for an 80 point forward is a bargain

To your first comment, that's what FYP does

To the last comment, as I said, he has been a point per game ONCE. That doesn't make him "an 80 point player"

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Valimaki and the 2026 pick has close to zero value

I should've used green text, and I agree. That's why I find such proposals as wishful thinking.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

first I'm a big idiot and dino7c rules.

To the last comment, as I said, he has been a point per game ONCE. That doesn't make him "an 80 point player"

First thanks for the compliment and don't be so hard on yourself

2nd how many high end seasons has Hanifin had?

Nylander is big, right handed, and has an awesome shot...put him with Lindholm, Huberdeau, Darryl and he would be great IMO

Anyway it's just an example...established high end winger, I wouldn't settle for less.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s like you’re deliberately trying to miss the very basic point I made. The only reason I keep responding is because I keep getting “and yet!”s which then avoid my point again. I’m finding it odd but I can’t look away and stop responding. In the bolded here, you’ve responded with a point I specifically didn’t make again. Nobody is saying we have to trade Hanifin for the sake of it.

We all love Hanifin.

...and yet you keep responding.

[Sandman]

Nylander wouldn't get away with being one-dimensional on this team, that's for sure. I think he would be a good get-he's already familiar with Kadri, he's fast and skilled, a Calgary kid (lol), and he produces pretty good in the playoffs. Sutter would make him a better two-way player, no doubt there.

The only downside is his contract-he's too expensive, and only signed for 2 more years, then he's UFA.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by bax

The same Johnny Gaudreau that has never been injured from a hit in over 600 games played?

It's funny how mere months after he's longer our player, some Calgary fans are saying the same thing we've heard ever since Johnny skated for the Flames for the first time in the playoffs lol. He'll be fine and is too smart and deceptive on his skates to get caught with that sort of hit.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Actually, pretty much every proposal so far has been for a player worth less than Hanifin.

But let's here your proposal - who do we trade him for?

Jason Robertson

Cap management, and perhaps an additional asset Dallas way, be damned haha.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by activeStick

It's funny how mere months after he's longer our player, some Calgary fans are saying the same thing we've heard ever since Johnny skated for the Flames for the first time in the playoffs lol. He'll be fine and is too smart and deceptive on his skates to get caught with that sort of hit.

Its true but its also why he does better in the games that turn into run and gun and poorly in the games that are tight and physical

Its can't be denied he shy's away from contact (I would too) and that is part of the reason he is never hurt

[Sandman]

Johnny has the most amazing edges, and agility, as well as the ability to stop on a dime. He's got to be the most slippery player I've ever seen. I thought he would never make it in this league, but he rarely gets hit.

[dino7c]

Kadri got Gaudreau good one time...and maybe a handful of others

he does rarely get hit...its also kinda hard to run a small player unless you want to eat the boards

[codynw]

I remember Datsyuk absolutely flattening Johnny once.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I dream of the day that cap hits are spoken of only in cap % , for sakes of contract comparison and statistics. Crosby making 8.7 when he won the cup is like a player today making 12m.

Crosby is probably a top 5 player all time at this point, he's a bit of an anomaly. How many other players have won with a cap % like that? Probably not a lot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Elite players get moved. Debrincat was just moved. If it isn’t for an elite player then obviously you don’t do it. There isn’t anyone fighting for settling on a trade for Hanifin just to trade him away. This has been one of the weirder player debates I’ve been a part of.

Debrincat didn’t get moved in a player trade. He got traded as a pending RFA by a rebuilding team for a bunch of draft picks. He wasn’t moved for a Hanifin, and wouldn’t have been. Chicago wound’s have wanted an older guy who is going to be an RFA in one extra year.

I’ve only seen one trade proposal for anyone who would be considered a top winger, and that’s Nylander. The Leafs don’t need Hanifin anyway and they aren’t trading Nylander for him.