2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Southside]

Damn. That Digby guy still here.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Can someone remind me how you mute a poster on here. Asking for multiple friends.

I had put together step by step visual directions… but I can’t seem to find it again. This works though:

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Go to their profile -> user lists -> ignore

[GioforPM]

LOL - now Mercer is Brayden Point. Point had 40 points in his rookie season. “3 years after he was drafted”? How many did Point have in his 3rd season, which is when the Mercer discussion is happening? [hint - he was on his way to a 92 point season]

They didn’t dump him because they had Stamkos? The guy played 17 games that year? And Tyler Johnson, who Point had virtually caught and who was behind Point the next year? OK, so they ended up keeping Point over Johnson, who they moved because he wasn’t as good and because they needed cap room. So who is NJD going to move at centre? Hischier?

[All In Good Time]

Again
Why does this poster exist here?
It seems all they are saying is. We need a goalie, your goalie is old, we got 2 goalies that are as good as your goalie, we will give you something for your goalie but not what you want cause the player you want is the best blah blah blah

Circle talking, goal post moving Devils employee who’s much dimmer than they think they are. Kind of bizarre/creepy in a way

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Again
Why does this poster exist here?
It seems all they are saying is. We need a goalie, your goalie is old, we got 2 goalies that are as good as your goalie, we will give you something for your goalie but not what you want cause the player you want is the best blah blah blah

Circle talking, goal post moving Devils employee who’s much dimmer than they think they are. Kind of bizarre/creepy in a way

It’s fascinating because he’s known and disliked on capfriendly for doing this shtick (and, more embarrassingly, it looks like he is a big GM LARPer, he likes to say things like “We won’t give you ____ but we could throw in ____ if we can get a deal done” like he’s actually a GM… yikes) and it looks like he created an account on HFBoards and immediate got the same reaction, with people actually lamenting that they wished he stayed at Capfriendly because he would ruin HFBoards (imagine how bad you have to be to ruin HFBoards).

He always has zero clue. Convinced Toffoli was bringing back a 1st. Convinced he could get Gibson (and even Ullmark) for Vanecek. He’s legitimately terrible at this and it’s funny seeing how bad his reputation is.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s fascinating because he’s known and disliked on capfriendly for doing this shtick (and, more embarrassingly, it looks like he is a big GM LARPer, he likes to say things like “We won’t give you ____ but we could throw in ____ if we can get a deal done” like he’s actually a GM… yikes) and it looks like he created an account on HFBoards and immediate got the same reaction, with people actually lamenting that they wished he stayed at Capfriendly because he would ruin HFBoards (imagine how bad you have to be to ruin HFBoards).

He always has zero clue. Convinced Toffoli was bringing back a 1st. Convinced he could get Gibson (and even Ullmark) for Vanecek. He’s legitimately terrible at this and it’s funny seeing how bad his reputation is.

It is important to try out for GM on as many forums as possible so you can put together a book of work for real NHL GM interviews.

[iloveicedhockey]

Me trying to read this thread avoiding people quoting the NJ troll I blocked so I didn't have to read the obvious wind up nonsense.

[Monahammer]

This dgibbs stuff is interesting in the same way a car crash or a mucus plug is interesting, but what the hell was with the random march started account that parroted and defended him a few pages back? Is this guy just operating an army of sleeper accounts ready to pick up the next time he's turfed? Even the profile was weird, has a strange quote.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL - now Mercer is Brayden Point. Point had 40 points in his rookie season. “3 years after he was drafted”? How many did Point have in his 3rd season, which is when the Mercer discussion is happening? [hint - he was on his way to a 92 point season]

They didn’t dump him because they had Stamkos? The guy played 17 games that year? And Tyler Johnson, who Point had virtually caught and who was behind Point the next year? OK, so they ended up keeping Point over Johnson, who they moved because he wasn’t as good and because they needed cap room. So who is NJD going to move at centre? Hischier?

Point had 40 points and 18 goals in his D+3.

Mercer had 57 points and 27 goals in his D+3.

I am not saying Dawson mercer will be Brayden Point. I am saying you don't throw away young productive roster players with cost control. Just like Calgary shouldn't trade Zary. And florida shouldn't trade Lundell.

I can't imagine what the valuations on here would have been on a 3rd round pick who had a good rookie year in his D+3.


NJD moved Toffoli as their Tyler Johnson if you're hunting for an example

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Point had 40 points and 18 goals in his D+3.

Mercer had 57 points and 27 goals in his D+3.

I am not saying Dawson mercer will be Brayden Point. I am saying you don't throw away young productive roster players with cost control. Just like Calgary shouldn't trade Zary. And florida shouldn't trade Lundell.

I can't imagine what the valuations on here would have been on a 3rd round pick who had a good rookie year in his D+3.


NJD moved Toffoli as their Tyler Johnson if you're hunting for an example

Point had 32 goals and 34 assists for 66 points in his D+4 year. Hopefully Mercer has the same numbers (or maybe even better) in his D+4 year.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Legit bad at the time - .917 SV percentage the season Bishop was traded.

Hopefully the Devils can someday find a legit BAD goalie with a .917 sv percentage. Maybe Daws can be that young goalie.

Problem for the ####ty devils is that they have no goalies, whereas Tampa had two goalies.

He was bottom 5 in the league in GSAx.

In fact, overall combined from 2015-2018, Vasy ranked DEAD LAST among goalies in GSAx with a -36 GSAx. Bishop ranked 23rd with a +8 GSAx.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Point had 32 goals and 34 assists for 66 points in his D+4 year. Hopefully Mercer has the same numbers (or maybe even better) in his D+4 year.

Yep, perhaps that's why you hang onto the young players who get off to good starts.

I wonder what calgary puck would have valued a D+3 Point at after that rookie season when again, top 3 preseason odds to win the cup, and missed the playoffs. Only a 3rd round pick too.

Again, a team with top 3 preseason cup odds was on the verge of missing the playoffs? Did they go trade for a bunch of 30+ guys to try and make a run? (they had big needs on defense)

Nope, they traded AWAY the 30+ veterans, brought in 2 guys in their 20s in JT Miller and Mcdonagh, and went younger to bring in Sergachev+2nd for Drouin.

The genuises on here would have called them crazy for holding onto Point and Vasy and "wasting their window".

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

He was bottom 5 in the league in GSAx.

In fact, overall combined from 2015-2018, Vasy ranked DEAD LAST among goalies in GSAx with a -36 GSAx. Bishop ranked 23rd with a +8 GSAx.

Not quite sure where you are getting your numbers from...

2014-2015: .918, 2.1 GSAx (moneypuck), 1.43 GSAA (NST)
2015-2016: .910, -6.5 GSAx (moneypuck), -3.00 GSAA (NST)
2016-2017: .917, 1.1 GSAx (moneypuck), 5.05 GSAA (NST)
2017-2018: .920, 3.9 GSAx (moneypuck), 15.10 GSAA (NST)

The guy put up a .918 as a rookie, and never dipped below .910 for a single season in his career (until this season).

They choose Vasilevskiy over Bishop in 16-17 because he had outplayed him that season.

.917 vs .910
5.05 GSAA vs -4.02 GSAA
1.1 GSAx vs -0.3 GSAx
And he was 8 years youngers.

He was never, at any point in his career "Legit Bad".

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s fascinating because he’s known and disliked on capfriendly for doing this shtick (and, more embarrassingly, it looks like he is a big GM LARPer, he likes to say things like “We won’t give you ____ but we could throw in ____ if we can get a deal done” like he’s actually a GM… yikes) and it looks like he created an account on HFBoards and immediate got the same reaction, with people actually lamenting that they wished he stayed at Capfriendly because he would ruin HFBoards (imagine how bad you have to be to ruin HFBoards).

He always has zero clue. Convinced Toffoli was bringing back a 1st. Convinced he could get Gibson (and even Ullmark) for Vanecek. He’s legitimately terrible at this and it’s funny seeing how bad his reputation is.

Are you referring to my point that John Gibson isn't a positive asset unretained? He had a top 3 biggest goalie contract at the time behind only Bob and Vasy (will be the top 7th highest paid over it's lifespan), and was certainly not close to a top 3 or 7 goalie.

I don't know what you're referring to about Vitek for Ullmark. I have countless times said 1st+ was fair value for Ullmark.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not quite sure where you are getting your numbers from...

2015-2016: .910, -6.5 GSAx (moneypuck), -3.00 GSAA (NST)
2016-2017: .917, 1.1 GSAx (moneypuck), 5.05 GSAA (NST)
2017-2018: .920, 3.9 GSAx (moneypuck), 15.10 GSAA (NST)

The guy put up a .918 as a rookie, and never dipped below .910 for a single season in his career (until this season).

They choose Vasilevskiy over Bishop in 16-17 because he had outplayed him that season.

.917 vs .910
5.05 GSAA vs -4.02 GSAA
1.1 GSAx vs -0.3 GSAx
And he was 8 years youngers.

He was never, at any point in his career "Legit Bad".

I was using evolving hockey. I prefer it and it's easier to get multiyear comparisons. If you want to use moneypuck it's a lot uglier for Markstrom btw.



15-16 even on moneypuck Vasy was 84th/92 goalies
16/17 1.1 GSAx 34th/63 goalies with 10+ starts (similar range to where guys like Kaapo Kahkonen and Jake allen are this year btw)

[GioforPM]

The troll had a bit of a sleep in today. Imma disengage from him.

[TheIronMaiden]

This thread should die a natural death until the playoffs are over. There is inactivity for the next 4 weeks or whatever.

[Mattman]

Maybe we fix this derail with another derail?

Mark Jankowski is looking pretty solid these days..

[TheIronMaiden]

Morgan Klimchuck was a horrible bust

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Are you referring to my point that John Gibson isn't a positive asset unretained? He had a top 3 biggest goalie contract at the time behind only Bob and Vasy (will be the top 7th highest paid over it's lifespan), and was certainly not close to a top 3 or 7 goalie.

I don't know what you're referring to about Vitek for Ullmark. I have countless times said 1st+ was fair value for Ullmark.

I’m referring to your horrible player evaluations, heavy NJ bias which multiple people across multiple message boards have easily identified but you can’t, and your cringey GM roleplaying.