Israel declares war on Hamas

[blankall]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

You can't commit war crimes because you don't like the other side, it's a conflict, of course you won't like the other side. Would you be ok with Hamas saying well we're occupied so anything goes and we can do what we want?

Israel is expected to follow the law to the very letter. Hamas gets to do whatever it wants, including putting its own population at risk. Got it

You do realize pursuant to your interpretation of what a "war crime" is there's literally no way for Israel to take military action or defend it's border. The reality of that Hamas is using human shields and refusing to wear uniforms which identify combatants from civilians. You do not lose the right to defend yourself and the blame false on the one using the human shields.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Israeli logic dude. None of it makes sense.

I swear, a few decades down the road, Israeli propaganda will become a case study on how to induce personality disorders on an entire population.

It's very bizarre, at this rate i think if Israel even dropped a nuke on Gaza some would be like oh well you know Hamas.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Israeli logic dude. None of it makes sense.

I swear, a few decades down the road, Israeli propaganda will become a case study on how to induce personality disorders on an entire population.

Your hatred of Israel is apparent, buy a popsicle, chill out and stop posting

[Language]

You both continue to ignore the question that multiple people have asked you, in one way or another.

It’s very simple:

What has Hamas done to protect the lives of their own citizens?

Can you both not freely admit that Hamas has its own agenda, which is not in any way, the advancement of protection and well being for their own citizens?


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[indes]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

You can't commit war crimes because you don't like the other side, it's a conflict, of course you won't like the other side. Would you be ok with Hamas saying well we're occupied so anything goes and we can do what we want?

Ya that would be awful if Israel made them commit war crimes. Imagine if Israel doesn't back down, Hamas would probably just start firing rockets into civilian areas, committing mass murder at festivals, kidnapping, raping, murdering women and children. They would probably even celebrate it in the streets.

That would be awful if Israel forced them to do that.

Palestinian logic?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's not feasible for Israel to set up a makeshift refugee camp in their borders. Especially as Hamas operatives don't wear uniforms, which is a war crime in itself. That would leave Israel with hundreds of thousands of people to monitor. A population that would almost certainly include hostiles and a population that has a history of getting whipped up into blood thirsty riots. The logistics of that would be insane and only put Israel in a worst position in terms of potential human rights violations.

Thats why I suggested allowing women, children and the elderly resettle temporarily in the West Bank. Work with the PA to provide medical aid and food.

This isn't unprecedented stuff. Turkey most recently did it during their war with ISIS. But again, this isn't a war against Hamas. This is a revenge killing to put it bluntly.

[Azure]

They can't answer it, just like they can't answer why Egypt won't open the border to Gaza on their side.

But of course this isn't just merely a deflection of one side saying Israel is provoking anger and hatred by building settlements, and Hamas is provoking anger by random rocket attacks.

This is one side committing blatant war crimes, and keyboard warriors saying 'but Israel is also bad.' Which if you think about it makes you what kind of human being?

War crimes. They are literally defending ISIS level war crimes.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Your hatred of Israel is apparent, buy a popsicle, chill out and stop posting

Are you going to be ok? We don't all need to love racism and apartheid.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

You can't commit war crimes because you don't like the other side, it's a conflict, of course you won't like the other side. Would you be ok with Hamas saying well we're occupied so anything goes and we can do what we want?

I mean, that's basically what anyone supporting Hamas or excusing their actions is doing. They're using Israel's past violence to whitewash Hamas' atrocities against civilians. It's absurd and disgusting in that situation and it's just as ridiculous to think that taking action to starve 2 million civilians can be explained away easily.

Like I've said before, I imagine this is just a temporary measure before a ground invasion, so I don't think it'll ever get to the point where we see mass casualties because of a blockade. But the fact that people can sit there and say they don't see an issue with a long-term blockade that could effectively kill millions of civilians is pretty jarring. That sounds more like the Warsaw Ghetto than something a modern democratic country would do.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Language

You both continue to ignore the question that multiple people have asked you, in one way or another.

It’s very simple:

What has Hamas done to protect the lives of their own citizens?

Can you both not freely admit that Hamas has its own agenda, which is not in any way, the advancement of protection and well being for their own citizens?


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We don't answer it because it's a non-sensical question. What does Hamas do to protect their citizens? Seriously, what are they supposed to do? Build an iron dome system and purchase f-35s from the US? Maybe build a nuke as deterrence?

The blockade in Gaza is specifically designed to keep Gaza impoverished and helpless.

Originally Posted by Azure

They can't answer it, just like they can't answer why Egypt won't open the border to Gaza on their side.

But of course this isn't just merely a deflection of one side saying Israel is provoking anger and hatred by building settlements, and Hamas is provoking anger by random rocket attacks.

This is one side committing blatant war crimes, and keyboard warriors saying 'but Israel is also bad.' Which if you think about it makes you what kind of human being?

War crimes. They are literally defending ISIS level war crimes.

Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel, so they uphold blockades that their neighbour's ask them to partake in.

With that said, where do you guys think weapons to hamas come from? They most definitely come through Egypt with certain officials purposefully turning a blind eye for some hamas cash.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by indes

Ya that would be awful if Israel made them commit war crimes. Imagine if Israel doesn't back down, Hamas would probably just start firing rockets into civilian areas, committing mass murder at festivals, kidnapping, raping, murdering women and children. They would probably even celebrate it in the streets.

That would be awful if Israel forced them to do that.

Palestinian logic?

to me It is also despicable to defend the horrific attack form Hamas this week, as it is to pretend that Isreal has not committed decades worth of violence against Palestinians.

This is a brutal decades long chain of events. As a 3rd party picking sides is just as muddy and bloody as choosing between croats and serbs. There is no easy explanation or solution to historical intergenerational violence.

I feel awful for people who are caught in the middle.

[Manhattanboy]

Whitewashing, whataboutism, gaslighting, deflecting, all straight from their social media playbook. And its going to get much worse in the days ahead.

Friends of mine with kids who grew up in the Facebook, Insta, Snap age, are having a really difficult time dealing with the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic garbage popping up all over their kids' phones. One pal with a teenage daughter received the most vile, disgusting text (from an unknown number) I have ever seen wishing on her the things that Hamas did to Israeli girls. They have of course reported it.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Whitewashing, whataboutism, gaslighting, deflecting, all straight from their social media playbook. And its going to get much worse in the days ahead.

Friends of mine with kids who grew up in the Facebook, Insta, Snap age, are having a really difficult time dealing with the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic garbage popping up all over their kids' phones. One pal with a teenage daughter received the most vile, disgusting text (from an unknown number) I have ever seen wishing on her the things that Hamas did to Israeli girls. They have of course reported it.

That is awful, I am sorry you have to deal with that.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Azure

They can't answer it, just like they can't answer why Egypt won't open the border to Gaza on their side.

But of course this isn't just merely a deflection of one side saying Israel is provoking anger and hatred by building settlements, and Hamas is provoking anger by random rocket attacks.

This is one side committing blatant war crimes, and keyboard warriors saying 'but Israel is also bad.' Which if you think about it makes you what kind of human being?

War crimes. They are literally defending ISIS level war crimes.

Who is defending Hamas and which posts do they do it?

I am not saying it hasn’t happened there are a lot posts in this thread but trying to figure out if there are actual examples or if this is another BS if you criticize Israel you are defending Hamas post.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Azure

They can't answer it, just like they can't answer why Egypt won't open the border to Gaza on their side.

But of course this isn't just merely a deflection of one side saying Israel is provoking anger and hatred by building settlements, and Hamas is provoking anger by random rocket attacks.

This is one side committing blatant war crimes, and keyboard warriors saying 'but Israel is also bad.' Which if you think about it makes you what kind of human being?

War crimes. They are literally defending ISIS level war crimes.

The Egypt thing has been answered multiple times, again, Egypt is run by a dictator and has a very poor human righrs record, why are they a model on what should be done?

And unless I missed it, who has defended what Hamas did at all?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Israeli logic dude. None of it makes sense.

I swear, a few decades down the road, Israeli propaganda will become a case study on how to induce personality disorders on an entire population.

Speaking of sound logic. Here's a Hamas spokesperson telling SkyNews that Hamas didn't murder civilians. Why because Hamas doesn't see Israeli settlers as civilians.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711740375528792300

Here's the unfortunate part, the Hamas leadership and most of its forces are dug in under the city. The people in Israel want to restore the deterrent so that such an atrocity doesn't happen again. There's no good way of doing it.

It is very convenient to absolve Hamas and the people of Gaza of all responsibility. You're holding Israel to a higher standard, and rightfully so.

Even a lot of the Palestinian propaganda videos that were generated in years past you had children approach try to hit soldiers, throw rocks at them, with media crews waiting for any sort of response near by. 99.9% of the time there wasn't a response and the responses of children arrested are being shown as Israeli cruelty. Most of the soldiers walk away or simply take it, but that's not what the pro-Palestinian media wants to show. Well there's a hell of difference between that and between killing and beheading 40 infants/children and leaving their corpses. Shooting dogs/pets, no problem. Shooting 400 cows with head shots just for the hell of it why not. Those are things the Hamas did in the last 3 days to cause this sort of response.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by _Q_

We don't answer it because it's a non-sensical question. What does Hamas do to protect their citizens? Seriously, what are they supposed to do? Build an iron dome system and purchase f-35s from the US? Maybe build a nuke as deterrence?

The blockade in Gaza is specifically designed to keep Gaza impoverished and helpless.



Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel, so they uphold blockades that their neighbour's ask them to partake in.

With that said, where do you guys think weapons to hamas come from? They most definitely come through Egypt with certain officials purposefully turning a blind eye for some hamas cash.

The blockade of Gaza which wasn't in place 20 some years ago it was designed to prevent the import of weapons or materials that help produce weapons to the Hamas. My memory could be off, but It started after rockets started being fired from Gaza to Israel.

Israel still allows building materials despite the fact that Hamas uses a lot of them to construct and upgrade its underground bunker city.

[Language]

Originally Posted by _Q_

We don't answer it because it's a non-sensical question. What does Hamas do to protect their citizens? Seriously, what are they supposed to do? Build an iron dome system and purchase f-35s from the US? Maybe build a nuke as deterrence?

The blockade in Gaza is specifically designed to keep Gaza impoverished and helpless.



Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel, so they uphold blockades that their neighbour's ask them to partake in.

With that said, where do you guys think weapons to hamas come from? They most definitely come through Egypt with certain officials purposefully turning a blind eye for some hamas cash.

The blockade on Gaza is NOT designed to keep Gaza impoverished and helpless.

It is designed to protect Israel from the ruling party of Gaza, which is Hamas, whose mission is to kill Israelis and Jews.

The correct answer to the question is that Hamas should denounce violence, recognize the state of Israel, and then both sides can work in good faith to create an everlasting peace.


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[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

to me It is equally despicable to defend the horrific attack form Hamas this week, as it is to pretend that Isreal has not committed decades worth of violence against Palestinians.

This is a brutal decades long chain of events. As a 3rd party picking sides is just as muddy and bloody as choosing between croats and serbs. There is no easy explanation or solution to historical intergenerational violence.

I feel awful for people who are caught in the middle.

I agree with you it's hard to pick sides as a 3rd party, but equally despicable?

The stuff Hamas has done here is some of the must disturbing, gut wrenching things I've ever seen/read.
I can't get some of these things out of my head and it's like seeing Game of Thrones level brutality played out on real people.
No one should be giving Israel a pass for their wrongdoings, but you don't have to pretend things are "equally despicable" either, they're not.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I agree with you it's hard to pick sides as a 3rd party, but equally despicable?

The stuff Hamas has done here is some of the must disturbing, gut wrenching things I've ever seen/read.
I can't get some of these things out of my head and it's like seeing Game of Thrones level brutality played out on real people.
No one should be giving Israel a pass for their wrongdoings, but you don't have to pretend things are "equally despicable" either, they're not.

You're right, maybe equal is the wrong word. I will edit my post.