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Old 06-26-2023, 05:09 PM   #601
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The vibe around the franchise for 10+ years has been desperation. Desperate not to take a step back. Desperate to hold onto players. Desperate to cling to its mediocre status. If the Flames franchise were a person, it would be a middle-aged schlub on his second marriage trying to buy off his younger wife with trips and gifts so she doesn’t leave him. It’s cringey.
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:11 PM   #602
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:12 PM   #603
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Calgary made a very FAIR offer to Elias.

Teams want to know if he's available before 7PM EST Wednesday June 28th. Just because Calgary isn't "actively engaged" in trade talks, doesn't mean that teams haven't exchanged business cards.
I have no problem with this as long as Elias deadline is 7pm est Wednesday. Waiting into the summer for an answer would be stupid
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:15 PM   #604
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Yup, that matches with what I have heard too. The Flames really want to keep Lindholm. They are not going to rush anything.
Has to be at the right price though.

Absolute max should be 8 x 8.5 which is in line with Meier and Horvat.

Having 25+ million tied up in Huberdeau, Kadri and Lindholm for 6 years isn't a model for success for a team that's bent on "retooling"

Still better to tear down, unless he decides to be very reasonable on the AAV.
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:17 PM   #605
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Yup.

I had no issue with trying to keep Lindholm as long as it was below $9M.

I also have no issue with them giving him time to think about the offer.

And if talks are progressing and Lindholm wants to stay then I'm okay with not having a deadline. But honeslty it doesn't feel like he wants to stay and doesn't feel like things have progressed

But the first deadline should have been today. You tell him if he wasn't willing to commit by today then you're going to start the active trade discussions tomororow with other teams.

And then the second deadline is Wednesday at noon...and if he hasn't accepted by then you pull the trigger on whatever the best trade return is (if it includes 2023 picks)

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Shaping up nicely for a Carolina deal shortly after the Flames make their pick.
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:21 PM   #607
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So their plan is to keep the guy they didn't make playoffs with last year by paying him too much money, while also likely having a worse team this upcoming year in a vain attempt to make the playoffs?

What is this team doing? Why do they make the same mistakes over and over?

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Old 06-26-2023, 05:22 PM   #608
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Trade offers don't matter if their preference is to re-sign him and retool. There won't be a package that gets a centre back that is as good as Lindholm.
So what?

All signs point to this team sucking something fierce next season. Why keep a guy like Lindholm who isnt committed?

"Cool. Pack your crap."

- " I just said I wasnt sure..."

"Pack. Your. Crap."

In an environment where the rest of his line has already bailed? You either enthusiastically want to be here or pack yer junk.

Buh-bye.

You want a huge deal at 28? We've already got too many. Good luck.

We're going to suck. Lindholm isnt going to move the needle.
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It seems like posturing to me. A bit convenient that LeBrun is out there reassuring everyone that the Flames are still in the driver's seat and won't feel pressure to make a deal for months if needed.
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So their plan is to keep the guy they didn't make playoffs with last year by paying him too much money, while also likely having a worse team this upcoming year in a vain attempt to make the playoffs?

What is this team doing? Why do they make the same mistakes over and over?

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Old 06-26-2023, 05:26 PM   #611
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Once the GMS splurge July 1 I fear the offers might not be as strong with limited cap space and having to take back bad contracts to make it fit.

If you want to be on a competitive maybe decide so they can go and make moves around you since they have based the direction of the team based on you staying or going.
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I know what will help - more hyperbole and exaggeration!!!!
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So the Flames are willing to be held hostage by a potentially expensive, mid-tier centre.

Mid-tier? Your expectations for the return must be pretty low if you consider him to only be mid-tier
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So what?

All signs point to this team sucking something fierce next season. Why keep a guy like Lindholm who isnt committed?

We're going to suck. Lindholm isnt going to move the needle.
I 100% agree but the Flames management does not. Ideally they still trade Hanifin and Toffoli for futures if Lindholm drags out. My worry is they wait for him to make a decision before doing anything
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So he wants us to keep Looch?
I honestly believe this is why Toffoli wants to move.
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:32 PM   #617
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After the gut wrenching drama of Johnny and Chucky a year ago this all seems like a bunch of meh.

Lindholm's play deteriorated following their departures. Many games he was invisible.

I like the guy and really good 2 way centres are in low supply but if you can get a nice return you move him and move on.

Why all the overreactions one way or another?
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So their plan is to keep the guy they didn't make playoffs with last year by paying him too much money, while also likely having a worse team this upcoming year in a vain attempt to make the playoffs?

What is this team doing? Why do they make the same mistakes over and over?

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This is all by design as far as I’m concerned, Lindy will be dealt and for a massive haul, almost certain of it. The flames already have a ‘bridge too far’ number with Lindy and I think it’s safe to say they’ve past it, this is just the game being played by Conny and the management team.
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Old 06-26-2023, 05:43 PM   #620
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It seems like posturing to me. A bit convenient that LeBrun is out there reassuring everyone that the Flames are still in the driver's seat and won't feel pressure to make a deal for months if needed.
That reads like “you can have Lindholm, but you can’t steal him. Up your offers.”

But I could just be seeing what I want to see.
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