[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[iLoveLamp]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

If Fox has an insane year at Harvard and continues to rise the ranks as one of the best defense prospects in the game, that is not the correct sweetener you throw into a deal when Hamilton and Ferland should get it done on their own or with a lesser additional prospect. The value is off until Fox confirms he had no intention to sign here. I think Treliving really wanted these players and Carolina really wanted Fox, so Treliving gambled with Fox's perceived intent and who knows, maybe it bites us in the ass later. He can enjoy competing with Jake Bean now though if his intent wasn't to sign.

How do you know that Fox told the Flames he was or wasn't going to sign here? Why do you think that information would be made public? He was a valuable trade asset for the Flames, if they came out and said he wasn't planning on signing, his trade value plummets.

[indes]

Well I'm glad 44 points is the new hallmark of a top line rw. We're saved! Like I said, his best season so far is 2016/2017 Frolik.

Originally Posted by VilleN

Yeah, 18 points difference is basically a rounding error.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think Valimaki is a clear whole tier ahead of Fox/Andersson/Kylington. Valimaki is a stud. Fox IMO is more likely to be a PP specialist with his size and skating. Valimaki has top pairing potential. There’s no chance Fox was our top prospect, he’s been overhyped on here by a few ppl.

I’ve always been much more worried about Fox signing than Gaudreau/Janko.

I think Andersson is a stud too.

Had the 3rd highest points per game of any AHL Dman under the age of 22 and with at least 20 games played. He had 0.71 ppg while Sebastian Aho was 0.73 ppg Sami Niku was 0.71 ppg. Plus he played big minutes in all situations.

(Also Kylington was 7th highest in ppg with the same criteria as aboveat 0.56 ppg)

[DomeFoam]

Lindholm is also not an upgrade to the offense. Lets not go full Chiarelli and think as much because of his draft position. Ferland scored 5 more goals than the guy this season, this is in ink. However, I think Lindholm significantly adds to the team with his all around game and makes us better transitioning and moving the puck faster than Ferland ever could. Especially with Johnny being a bit of a liability in his own end, Lindholm will be a pretty helpful boost to Monahan on the defensive side of things.

[Red]

Originally Posted by codynw

Who cares what he did for Florida? He sucked in Calgary and Hamilton did not.

Yes the flames d has been its strength since Dougie's arrival.

[kukkudo]

Flames young core Johnny, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, Bennett.

Now that's a nice young core moving forward.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by indes

Well I'm glad 44 points is the new hallmark of a top line rw. We're saved! Like I said, his best season so far is 2016/2017 Frolik.

Didn’t say that. Was commenting to you comparing him with Bennett’s production.


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[dammage79]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Flames young core Johnny, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, Bennett.

Now that's a nice young core moving forward.

Yup. Expansion protection list fulfilled.

[bigrangy]

The Flames traded their best chip and didn't even get a 1RW or a 2C

Everytime I look at it it gets worse

[Beninho]

If things with Hamilton were bad in the locker room he probably bolts as a free agent and we don’t even get a guy who has the potential of Hanifin

[Savvy27]

One of the most interesting thing in that Bill Peters interview was that next week will be a busy one with courting players for free agency. Looking at the Flames line up, they still need more goals.

I think we are going to see the Flames make a big push for Neal, Nash, or Grabner... maybe Perron.

Personally, I'd like to see the Flames put Bennett back with Backlund and Frolike where he's had success and to get Tkachuk onto a more offensive line. Could end up looking like this:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Neal
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik

I'd be pretty excited going into the season with a line up like that.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by FaFaFlamey

I’m a little disappointed we didn’t get one more piece. I’m sad to Dougie leave but Ferland went MIA the last part of the season. I liked him when he showed some interest, but I didn’t even notice him at the end of the year. I hope Brad isn’t done yet.

Was Ferland also injured? Idk, I feel like he hasn’t been close to the player I saw in the series against the Canucks. I get that that is unsustainable over an 82 game regular season. But damn I wanted to see more of it.

[868904]

Do people think that Flames management would not ask or speak to Giordano about his defense partners?

There is something very telling about this move and Peters saying they are moving Brodie back with Giordano.

Add in Franklin's comment about "retrieving pucks" and there's some evidence there that management and Giordano, see things the same way, Brodie is a better player and partner for Giordano than Hamilton.

I don't even need to be in that room or speak to Giordano, I can see with my own eyes that Hamilton hurt Giordano. Giordano was constantly covering up his mistakes and doing the heavy lifting defensively. Giordano's offense also got hurt because of it.

Brodie isn't a offensive defensemen, he is a defensive defensemen first who can contribute offensively, which makes him a great partner for Giordano who can be an elite point producer. Brodie gets himself into trouble when he has to do the heavy lifting offensively on a pairing, which is what he had to do with Hamonic. Brodie's elite skating is more useful in defending because he doesn't necessarily have the hands or vision to be an offensive defenseman.

[Red]

Trade for older player = we are giving up our future
Trade for younger players = we are buying magic beans


NHL GMs just can't win.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by iLoveLamp

How do you know that Fox told the Flames he was or wasn't going to sign here? Why do you think that information would be made public? He was a valuable trade asset for the Flames, if they came out and said he wasn't planning on signing, his trade value plummets.

Exactly, that information is not out yet. So why are we throwing an extremely valuable asset into a trade that has no business being there given the pieces already there meet the price?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Flames young core Johnny, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, Bennett.

Now that's a nice young core moving forward.

I’d add Jankowski and even Brodie to that mix too. Not bad.

The more I think about the more I just wish we got a 3rd round pick back from Carolina which would make it feel that much more palatable.

I’m gonna miss Ferly but we get younger and faster with this trade and even though we lose the best player right now in Hamilton Hanifin is a good D man to take over Gio on the left side in a few years here. Interesting trade.

[GullFoss]

I like the trade. Hamilton and ferland are both coming off career years playing with franchise players, so Tre is selling high on both of them.

Lindholm is a legit top 6, a RH shot, a better two way player and younger than ferland. He played with Aho and teravanen last year. Ferland only looked good with Monahan and Johnny last year and is a ufa next year. Lindholm is a giant upgrade for the organization.

Hanafin is four years younger than Hamilton and has had a better start to his career and has a higher ceiling. Has a better two-way game and higher hockey iq. Will be an awesome stabilizer to the second pairing to have an all-round defenseman like Gio is for the first pairing.

Flames gave up fox...but we all knew that not all four of valimaki, fox, Andersson and kylington we're going to lace up for the flames. This is amazing for a top-4 in the future...

Hannafin (21)
Valimaki (19)
Andersson (21)
Kylington (21)

[SuperMatt18]

The more I think about the pieces of the trade the more I think the Flames brass may have actually thought Hanifin > Hamilton ... I’m not sure what I think about that.

[indes]

I was comparing how disappointing both of them have been relative to their draft positions. 44 points is not a success for a 5th overall center. Better than Bennett sure, but expecting him to explode his totals after playing with Aho and Teravainen is pretty far fetched.

Originally Posted by VilleN

Didn’t say that. Was commenting to you comparing him with Bennett’s production.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamilton is a franchise defenseman

Hanifin might be, and had better be if the Flames want to have any chance of competing in the future.

I feel so bad for Gaudreau and Monahan who have to waste away their careers until UFA

If you feel that he is, then this is a bad trade.

I do not. I think he has the potential to be, but needs to get a lot better defensively before he earns that moniker.

Hanifin is not yet either. And is further away at the moment. But he has at least as good of a chance of becoming a franchise D as Hamilton does, IMO.