Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[burn_this_city]

tawnee7 Tawnee S.



many demanding #occupycalgary have clearer demands. Etching in stone would be downfall. Isn't it enough to say we"ve woken from dreams.

1 hour ago

[Bigtime]

So all the city needs to do is set off some sort of electromagnetic weapon in the middle of the night (thus disabling the occupiers cellphones/cameras etc) and go in and grab them all in big burlap sacks and haul them out of there.

Dark of night "Daley" style move.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

tawnee7 Tawnee S.



many demanding #occupycalgary have clearer demands. Etching in stone would be downfall. Isn't it enough to say we"ve woken from dreams.

1 hour ago

Oh god, I have to start following her for this kind of comedy gold!

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Oh god, I have to start following her for this kind of comedy gold!

It's more addictive than CBC.ca comments.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Phoenix is now saying they've spent $204,000 of taxpayer dollars on this, particularly on overtime. A frustrated city councillor in Phoenix wants to pass that bill onto the protestors.

They should move them to Glendale to Occupy Jobing.com Arena.

[Hevishot]

@tawnee7 calgary, alberta
fan of dubstep and house music. i have gone to shambhalah three years in a row. i love partyin!!! some say i party too hard

Enough Said?

[SeeBass]

[CaptainCrunch]

Please don't compare that movement to the Occupy Calgary movement.

that would be almost disgraceful.

[SeeBass]

That would be your opinion.

[CaptainCrunch]

No it would probably be the truth.

[SeeBass]

your opinion of what is a valid or important protest and what is not is just that... your opinion

these same words were spoken of those protests too

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

your opinion of what is a valid or important protest and what is not is just that... your opinion

Psst, this is when your suppose to invoke Godwin's Law.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Please don't compare that movement to the Occupy Calgary movement.

that would be almost disgraceful.

The "Hippie Counter-Culture Movement," also from the 60's, might be a more apt comparison.

The 1960’s hippie counter culture movement involved a variety of social concerns and beliefs. The hippies’ primary tenet was that life was about being happy, not about what others thought you should be. Their “if it feels good, do it” attitudes included little forethought nor concern for the consequences of their actions. Hippies were dissatisfied with what their parents had built for them, a rather strange belief given that their parents had built the greatest booming economy the world had ever seen.
Hippies rejected established institutions. Calling them “The Establishment”, “Big Brother”, and “The Man”, hippies believed the dominant mainstream culture was corrupt and inherently flawed and sought to replace it with a Utopian society.
Hippies rejected middle class values, opposed nuclear weapons and the Vietnam War. They embraced aspects of eastern philosophy and sought to find new meaning in life.
Hippies were often vegetarian and believed in eco friendly environmental practices. They championed free love and sexual liberation, particularly for women. They also promoted the use of psychedelic drugs which they believed expanded their consciousness.
Hippies participated in alternative arts and street theater and listened to folk music and psychedelic rock as part of their anti-establishment lifestyle. They opposed political and social violence and promoted a gentle ideology that focused on peace, love, and personal freedom. Some hippies lived in communes or aggregated communities of other hippies. Some described the 1960’s hippies movement as a religious movement.



http://www.mortaljourney.com/2011/03...lture-movement

The Hippie movement eventually suffered public backlash and withered when it went activist and, in some cases, violent. The Summer Of Love in San Francisco died a hard death.

If you remember the 60's, you weren't there.

So far, the Occupy Movement, in terms of actual numbers turning out, is quite small relative to overall local populations.

Cowperson

[Rathji]

So why were the Vietnam protests more (or less) valid than the Occupy protests?

They both protest a perceived problem of the day, both are being carried out by people who the bulk of society might consider the slackers of their generation, and both engaged in some illegal activities as part of their protest.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

your opinion of what is a valid or important protest and what is not is just that... your opinion

Um, no, that is a fact.

Comparing the life and death of 70 some odd thousand American soldiers, and countless Vietnamese people, and all the political complexities of that war.. to a bunch of lazy, idiot spoiled kids who want to live in a fairy tale, unicorn and fairy dust world, is not comparable, and is not as important.... sorry.

[SeeBass]

In the lens of hindsight we can claim how noble the Nam protest were but when they started it was just a few hippies, with no job, lazy, un american, bla bla bla.

This movemnet might die and mean nothing or it might be the start of a generational swing we don't know today.

I may not be cheering them on as they protest and for some of these people I would not agree, but I support their desire to protest as I think it is pretty arrogant to claim that one persons protest is better than another, only time and society can do that.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So why were the Vietnam protests more (or less) valid than the Occupy protests?

They both protest a perceived problem of the day, both are being carried out by people who the bulk of society might consider the slackers of their generation, and both engaged in some illegal activities as part of their protest.

Because the Vietnam protesters were actually protesting something. They had a goal. Get out of Vietnam, period.

Occupy has no goal, ask 10 of them, you would like get 10 different answers.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by pylon

Um, no, that is a fact.

Comparing the life and death of 70 some odd thousand American soldiers, and countless Vietnamese people, and all the political complexities of that war.. to a bunch of lazy, idiot spoiled kids who want to live in a fairy tale, unicorn and fairy dust world, is not comparable, and is not as important.... sorry.

If that is what you think the protest is all about then I would agree with you but there are so many points of views out there and I know you are a smarter person than to generalize an entire group.

[SeeBass]

It will be interesting to see if a single and unified message does come out of this movement. I bet at the begining there were numerous groups trying to hitch their message at the start of the Nam protests too.

[CaptainCrunch]

Why is there no comparison between the Peace Movement and the Occupyers?

For all of their wanton laziness and lack of personal hygene (I joke) those hippies were organized, they had a specific mandate in mind and they understood completely what they were protesting. They galvanized and captured that entire generation and they focused on one real goal, and they could articulate it, and they had a reason to be angry. It was a movement that grew on the back of a simple message, the war in Vietnam is wrong, we're sending people over there against their will to fight an unjust war, get out of Vietnam now.

They didn't claim to represent 99%, they grew through college campuses and schools through actual intellectional roots, and they create a entire movement that resonated and grew and exploded and pressured and forced people to reflect and change.

The story that Bruce Springsteen tells about getting drafted and being at logger heads with his father about going to Vietnam is prime a prime example of how the Peace Movement in conjunction with media openess forced by the generation changed peoples perceptions.

The Peace Movement actually had a massive role in changing government policy.

The occupy movement is an unfocused group with no real mandate, no goals no vision, and they falsly claim to represent people that have no interest in being represented by them.

The Peace Movement was incredibly focused and while it was organic they all had the same goal in mind.