Brad Treliving needs to go

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Sutter

so if they lose Sutter should be fired lol

some people just refuse to eat crow on anything...if they win its Sutter if they lose its Brad

[Macman]

Weren’t Markstrom and Tanev signed before Darryl came back? Yes, Sutter is a good coach but Treliving is still the GM and you have to give him credit for assembling this team.

It was the anniversary (8th?)of his hiring the other day, they were talking about it on the radio broadcast.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Part of the evaluation needs to be:
- is BT a better GM now than he was earlier in his tenure?
- Can you find a better GM.

At some point it starts to make less sense to argue he should be fired for past mistakes (e.g. Bad UFA signings such as Neal/Brouwer, bad trades such as Hamonic, inability to chagne the team mid-season, bad coaching hires).

What kind of GM is he NOW and going forward.

As someone who has been critical of Brad the last couple of seasons, I agree with this. He came in as a rookie GM and made major mistakes in key areas, he literally learned on the job.

It would really suck to have him show signs of being a top 10 GM, while making mistakes with our team, then kick him out, only to have him learn from all that and become a top 5-10 GM with someone else.

If he's the best guy for the job now than he's the best guy for the job. A bad hamonic trade or UFA signings from years past shouldn't carry the same weight as what he's done lately.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayswin

As someone who has been critical of Brad the last couple of seasons, I agree with this. He came in as a rookie GM and made major mistakes in key areas, he literally learned on the job.

It would really suck to have him show signs of being a top 10 GM, while making mistakes with our team, then kick him out, only to have him learn from all that and become a top 5-10 GM with someone else.

If he's the best guy for the job now than he's the best guy for the job. A bad hamonic trade or UFA signings from years past shouldn't carry the same weight as what he's done lately.

Agree on all counts, but to the bolded - a big part of the POHO role should be a check/balance on franchise altering moves. Seeing as Tre's blunders were straight out of Burke's playbook of impatience, I regard those as joint blunders.

It's also notable that the big blunders have dropped significantly since Burke left - IIRC pretty much just Neal (cap space) and Ward (obviously a lot contributing factors to that mess and it's hard to say if there were actually better alternatives at the time- ultimately it cost 1 lost season)

[Squirrel]

Too soon?

[Vinny01]

Horrible bump

[madmike]

I’ve been critical of Treliving in the past, but if the Flames don’t move on it’s not on him. He did the best he could with the hand he was dealt (ie. a franchise that refuses to tank and expects to compete every single year).

I also wouldn’t blame Sutter. It would be 100% on the players. The team was placed in the best possible position to perform and so far they just haven’t.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by madmike

I’ve been critical of Treliving in the past, but if the Flames don’t move on it’s not on him. He did the best he could with the hand he was dealt (ie. a franchise that refuses to tank and expects to compete every single year).

I also wouldn’t blame Sutter. It would be 100% on the players. The team was placed in the best possible position to perform and so far they just haven’t.

If this is what you're asking for it's a bad take.

We've seen lots of teams that mange to find ways to continue to suck after tanking, and we've seen teams that find a way to get good without tanking.

As soon as you are asking for your team to suck, your take sucks.

[CroFlames]

Is it Brad's fault Toffoli, Jarnkrok, Dube & Mang have forgot how to score goals? And that Tanev got injured?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

Too soon?

[Toonage]

When this poll/thread first opened I was of the opinion that he should be fired but wouldn't be. Here we are, a year or so later and I don't see any way he will let go. Not until the end of his contract (and Darryl's) at the end of next season and even then we'll need to see how next year plays out first.

As for this year? He saved his job. From the hiring of Sutter late last year to the acquisitions this past season and the team's performance. Division champions and 2nd round appearance.

[Erick Estrada]

Even if the team ends it's season on a disappointing note it's hard to imagine him being let go. That said this season was kind of an all-in season and they didn't get the playoff results (if they don't win 3 in a row) and it's very possible the roster next season is not as good and if Johnny leaves significantly worse. I would imagine he is tied to Darryl Sutter now and how Darryl's last season as head coach goes will play a big role in Treliving's future with the team.

[Psytic]

They aren't that far off. I still dont see the need to fire Tre or blow it up yet assuming they can get the cap to work. They looked a lot better with Tanev in there imo. Imagine if they had one more D man that can skate, eat minutes and semi handle McDrai (like a Brodie type). We have some expiring contracts coming off the backend that can be replaced with guys that can skate or box out properly.

Imagine if Markstrom gave us league average goaltending. Add in a fully rehabbed Monahan if he is still able to stand in the dirty areas. Im not a Doctor but its possible he just needs more time. Put a more experienced Ruzicka in there to create some space. Its really not that bad. They have been able to score on the Oilers even with only Lindholm, Backlund and Coleman ever going to the net. They only need a few more guys on the team willing to pay the price and another solid D.

Only ones I'm concerned about are Chucky and Toffoli sadly. Chucky is a good player but he's looking like a 7 mill support player not a star that takes the bull by the horns. You could swap him with E Kane for less money and get better results. Jarnkrok is pretty suspect to he has 0 chemistry with anyone it seems but he does other things.

[Vinny01]

Treliving is safe regardless of what happens in my opinion. The team went from non-playoff to division winner, and they won a round of the playoffs. This season has had the most home playoff games since 2004.

He could be on the hot seat next year but the moves he has made over the past couple of seasons have put the Flames in a good spot. The farm team is doing excellent as well

Treliving will be here next year but I am not sure he has earned a long term extension unless they get past the Oilers

[CliffFletcher]

Firing Treliving would be dumb.

But if we’re nitpicking his recent work, the Jarnkrok pickup looks like a miss. He’s been okay as a checking 3/4 C, but you expect more for a 2nd + 3rd.

Namestnikov was bandied around as a deadline option and he looked a lot more dynamic for Dallas, and much cheaper at the cost of a 4th.

[Mathgod]

Tre has put a talented team on the ice and one of the greatest head coaches in league history behind the bench. Short of putting on a pair of skates and going out there and scoring some goals himself, I'm not sure what more people expect of him.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving is safe regardless of what happens in my opinion. The team went from non-playoff to division winner, and they won a round of the playoffs. This season has had the most home playoff games since 2004.

He could be on the hot seat next year but the moves he has made over the past couple of seasons have put the Flames in a good spot. The farm team is doing excellent as well

Treliving will be here next year but I am not sure he has earned a long term extension unless they get past the Oilers

If Johnny doesn’t return and the Flames have a bad year (which they almost certainly would without Gaudreau) I could see that being the end for Tre.

[Badgers Nose]

I’ll echo what others have said. He did a good job bolstering a strong team for a run. We are all surprised at the lack of output from the depth guys and acquired playoff specialists.

He is safe for a while. This off season and what happens with Johnny and Matthew will probably decide his fate a year or two down the road. He will need to be a wiz.

[iggyloob12]

Biggest issue is our D, not Jarnkrok or Toffoli not scoring. We have no number 1 D, Kyl is a mess without Tanev, and Zadorov isn’t a top 4. That needs to be fixed. With what money, I don’t know!

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Biggest issue is our D, not Jarnkrok or Toffoli not scoring. We have no number 1 D, Kyl is a mess without Tanev, and Zadorov isn’t a top 4. That needs to be fixed. With what money, I don’t know!

Monahan and Lucic have 1 year left on deals for about $12mil. This summer is tight but next could be good