2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Goriders

No thanks. You’d have to gut the team to do it.

No, you would have to stop paying bottom 6 players too much.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by timbit

I guess I may have been missing something.

Most certainly thought the poster’s opinion was based on where OK slots in, on the Flames D.

Perhaps, she/he will rectify.

Kylington played almost all of last season in the Flames' top 4. He hasn't msgically lost that ability just because they brought in another top-4 D.

Originally Posted by memphusk

No, you would have to stop paying bottom 6 players too much.

You would also have to stop paying some of your top-6 players at all. The only bad contract left on the team is Lucic's, and that expires next year. That isn't going to cover $12 million for a free agent.

Who are you going to cut from the top 6?

Though it's a moot point anyway, as there is pretty much zero chance that McKinnon doesn't re-sign with the Avs.

[memphusk]

I would give up anyone in the top 6 to get him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I would give up anyone in the top 6 to get him.

Not for 16.5M

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Kylington played almost all of last season in the Flames' top 4. He hasn't msgically lost that ability just because they brought in another top-4 D.

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A better D was acquired. He was never better than the remaining 3, IMO.

No magic involved.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by timbit

A better D was acquired. He was never better than the remaining 3, IMO.

No magic involved.

He was def behind the big 3 last year, and on paper going into this year is probably 5 or 6 depending on how you feel about Big Z. However Flames D is really deep and the bottom pairing isn't really a bottom pairing. Kylington is one of the guys with real potential to boom this season.

Kylington is part of an interesting group of players heading into camp IMO.

Obviously seeing guys like Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weeger is going to get a lot of the talk, but I think the Flames have an interesting group of youngsters and 1 or 2 of them may very well pop this season.

Ras, Hanifin and Kylington all had great seasons and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them really come into their own this season.

We will see if Kylington can finally put it all together at the NHL level because IMO, he has a lot of the tools needed to be a stud in the NHL. This is a big season for him because we will see if Kylington looked like a top 4 last year because he played with a great player in Tanev, or if he's realizing his potential and studding before our eyes.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

....but I think the Flames have an interesting group of youngsters and 1 or 2 of them may very well pop this season.

While I agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure there is room on the team for this to occur.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by timbit

A better D was acquired. He was never better than the remaining 3, IMO.

No magic involved.

That doesn't alter the fact that he was the #4 D on a division-leading team last year. He's legitimately a top-4 defenceman in the NHL.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I would give up anyone in the top 6 to get him.

No team has won with a player making $10m against the cap yet, giving someone $16.5m seems like a great way to guarantee you’ll never build a competitive team.

[memphusk]

But I've been told that it doesn't matter when the cap goes up.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by AC

But most recently it was reported that his camp is seeking for MacKinnon to become the highest paid player in the league. Friedman also reported it's expected that he will be with this contract.

I think that it was also reported that he doesn't like being associated with the biggest steal of a contract in the NHL.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While I agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure there is room on the team for this to occur.

Every team has room for young players to pop and become stars.

Especially the Flames and their D. While deep, the teams D looks like they lack a true stud #1. I'm sure the team's brass would absolutely love for one of these guys to step up and take that role, especially since these guys are all signed to great value contracts for for 2+ more years.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by codynw

No team has won with a player making $10m against the cap yet, giving someone $16.5m seems like a great way to guarantee you’ll never build a competitive team.

Plenty of 9.5 guys have, It's going to happen

[jayswin]

Yah, exactly. That stat is more to do with historical salaries than the idea that you can't win the Cup with players making more than $10mil AAV. If anything, going forward that stat will flip. In the next 10 years they'll say "No team has won the Cup in the last 8 years without a star player making over $10mil".

I mean every superstar player is going to make $10AAV+ as contracts get signed in the coming years and teams that win the Cups historically have superstar players, so.....

[Fan in Exile]

I agree that it's a matter of time before a team with a player who make 10+ wins the Cup but having one player eat up over 16% of the cap is not a winning formula.

[Kipper_3434]

I dream of the day that cap hits are spoken of only in cap % , for sakes of contract comparison and statistics. Crosby making 8.7 when he won the cup is like a player today making 12m.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I dream of the day that cap hits are spoken of only in cap % , for sakes of contract comparison and statistics. Crosby making 8.7 when he won the cup is like a player today making 12m.

Also Iginla making 7 million on a 39 million dollar cap.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

I dream of the day that cap hits are spoken of only in cap % , for sakes of contract comparison and statistics. Crosby making 8.7 when he won the cup is like a player today making 12m.

The distribution of salaries under the cap has also changed, which makes that comparison meaningless. When Crosby won that championship, there were a fair number of players making similar money. Today, only one player in the entire league is paid over $12 million.

Over the years that the cap has been in place, teams have learned not to pay a single player so much that it weakens the rest of the roster. In the abstract, top stars are worth more money than they're getting. In reality, there's a limit to what teams are willing to spend on stars, because a star is worth very little without a good supporting cast.

[Sandman]

I just read an article stating that VGK and RFA D Nic Hague are far apart in negotiations. I know the situation we have on D, and if McCrimmon is smart, he'll be signed, but here's a situation where if the player were to become available, you make room.

6'6"230lbs, physical, moves well, already good in his own zone, and hasn't even come close to tapping into his offensive potential. In his D+1 year in the OHL, he put up 75 pts in 67 games, then put up 32 pts in 75 AHL games the year after, as a 20 year old.

There will surely be teams calling, knowing Vegas' cap situation.

[Jay Random]

32 points in 75 AHL games, even for a defenceman, is not that special.

The top 6 defencemen on the Flames' depth chart right now, and the points they scored last season:

Andersson, 50
Hanifin, 48
Weegar, 44
Kylington, 31
Tanev, 28
Zadorov, 22

Which one of those players do you move to make room for Hague?