2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They're only in year 3 of their rebuild though. They dealt Patrick Kane in February 2023.

Things look dire? They have insane amounts of salary cap, and just in the last 3 drafts:

7th Overall: Korchinski (D)
13th Overall: Nazar (C)
25th Overall: Rinzel (D)
39th Overall: Ludwinski (C)
57th Overall: Greene (C)

1st Overall: Bedard (C)
19th Overall: Moore (C)
35th Overall: Gajan (G)
44th Overall: Kantserov (W)
55th Overall: Misiak (C)

2nd Overall: Levshunov (D)
18th Overall: Boisvert (C)
27th Overall: Vanacker (W)

Things look dire? They friggin' should right now, but they won't for much longer. In a 3 year span, they've drafted what looks to be a #1 franchise centre, #1 defenceman, #2 defenceman + a bunch of other picks that likely result in top-6 forwards/top-4 defencemen.

If you think Chicago looks dire, or San Jose, then you are massively overestimating the improtance of being the 17th best team in the league.

I'd say after the 2025 draft, Chicago is going to get incredibly aggressive all over the place. Their asset base will be bursting, they've drafted the hardest to fill positions, and have enough salary cap space to do whatever they want.

That's being a bit generous towards Chicago as their rebuild is much longer than 3 seasons at this point.

They drafted 8th overall in 2018 (Boqvist) and 3rd overall in 2019 (Dach) and that was clearly part of the "rebuild".

Traded away a bunch of assets including a 6th OV pick (Jiricek) and 12th OV (Sillinger) for Jones

Korchinski and Nazar don't look that special.

They haven't given Bedard the support required to actually develop into a super star.

And even Levshunov is having an okay season in the AHL...maybe should have spent another year in the NCAA.

They haven't finished above 20th in the league since 17-18, and they've drafted high but I think you can question if they've drafted well, and they also made some bad moves to trade assets that were high picks away. So you can call it "Year 3" but really it's "Year 8" for Chicago.

Edit: For San Jose this is "Year 6"...they finished 29th OV in 19-20. Calgary would realistically be in "Year 2".

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They're only in year 3 of their rebuild though. They dealt Patrick Kane in February 2023.

Things look dire? They have insane amounts of salary cap, and just in the last 3 drafts:

7th Overall: Korchinski (D)
13th Overall: Nazar (C)
25th Overall: Rinzel (D)
39th Overall: Ludwinski (C)
57th Overall: Greene (C)

1st Overall: Bedard (C)
19th Overall: Moore (C)
35th Overall: Gajan (G)
44th Overall: Kantserov (W)
55th Overall: Misiak (C)

2nd Overall: Levshunov (D)
18th Overall: Boisvert (C)
27th Overall: Vanacker (W)

Things look dire? They friggin' should right now, but they won't for much longer. In a 3 year span, they've drafted what looks to be a #1 franchise centre, #1 defenceman, #2 defenceman + a bunch of other picks that likely result in top-6 forwards/top-4 defencemen.

If you think Chicago looks dire, or San Jose, then you are massively overestimating the improtance of being the 17th best team in the league.

I'd say after the 2025 draft, Chicago is going to get incredibly aggressive all over the place. Their asset base will be bursting, they've drafted the hardest to fill positions, and have enough salary cap space to do whatever they want.

Half those prospects will probably never even play a game, let alone be top half roster players.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The team that looks to be on the best track right now is actually San Jose.

They kept pieces like Hertl, Meier, Karlsson, Couture, Vlasic, etc out of the gate at the start of their rebuild, and then moved the pieces when their value was higher as opposed to just selling low, and it seems to have worked for them.

They actually even traded away two high picks one by accident (3rd overall that became Stuetzle for Karlsson), and one in a bit of a questionable trade (11th for 27, 34, 45.)

But other moves and being bad allowed them to get Celebrini, Dickinson, Smith, Musty, Askarov, and Eklund (plus others)

Flames were doing more this approach...but just happens to be that they somehow aren't a bottom 5 team like most people expected.

I think the road to the bottom 5 for the Flames is still underway. What we aren't really talking about is Calgary is in it's very early days. Andersson should be Calgary's Hertl trade.

Calgary's 2023/2024 was San Jose's 2020/2021 and Chicago's 2021/2022.

This year is hopefully San Jose's 2022/2023, but may be San Jose's 2021/2022 (they should have picked 11th, but ended up picking 27th due to previous failings).

Calgary's 2025/2026 and 2026/2027 are likely (and hopefully) going to be San Jose's 2022/2023 and 2023/2024, and Chicago's 2022/2023 and 2023/2024.

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Half those prospects will probably never even play a game, let alone be top half roster players.

True, as that's a reality of team building - but some will hit - and in combination with free agency and trades, Chicago will be one of the best teams in the league because they're taking their time and building a team (and they've already done the heaviest lifting).

[traptor]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

There are players and deals to be made now and have been there for the last 2 years that Conroy has been in charge if this team is truly rebuilding, and we're not seeing it.

What we are seeing is this team taking a wait and see approach. Give more ice time to young guys and don't sign or trade for veterans that keep us in the mushy middle. Well that's the prudent thing to do in our situation. To not do that would be downright negligent, and Conroy is not stupid. But it doesn't mean that we're rebuilding.

It's clear that Conroy sold Edwards on competitive way forward rather than a tear it down rebuild. Let the young guys play, let the vets regain form, don't waste money on UFAs, try to improve the team through the draft and trades as they come up, and see what happens.

Wait and see approach is how I see it too.

They're hoping some young guys already in the system take off while they remain competitive.

Sharks and the hawks have been rebuilding. That's not what we're doing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There are people on the board who doubt picking up Dylan Cozens because of remaining contract length, yet people think we can possibly trade Kadri? Unhinged.

Remember when Cozens had a dominant season and then a stellar playoffs with hat tricks and a finals OT goal on the way to the cup? me neither.

Kadri is exactly the type of player that puts a team over the top they could easily trade him and get decent value

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ignoring the fact that he has 4 more years left and is very obviously while watching declining in ability.

Even if it was this year alone on his contract I think it might be difficult. He's playing top minutes here and squeeking out very mediocre numbers. No doubt he's playing less minutes anywhere else in the league. Thus, very likely to produce below his "par value".

lol what a terrible take...like its easy to put up points on the Flames. If Kadri was in the final year of his deal he would probably be the top guy on the market...especially with retention.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Worked for the Penguins

But didn't work out for Columbus, NYR, or Buffalo that year... does that factor into the equation?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tell me you're not watching Montreal without telling me you're not watching Montreal.

I do watch them pretty regularly and they seem... fine. Maybe I'm just around too many Habs fans that are constantly oilers-level hyping them up every summer haha

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's being a bit generous towards Chicago as their rebuild is much longer than 3 seasons at this point.

They drafted 8th overall in 2018 (Boqvist) and 3rd overall in 2019 (Dach) and that was clearly part of the "rebuild".

Traded away a bunch of assets including a 6th OV pick (Jiricek) and 12th OV (Sillinger) for Jones

Korchinski and Nazar don't look that special.

They haven't given Bedard the support required to actually develop into a super star.

And even Levshunov is having an okay season in the AHL...maybe should have spent another year in the NCAA.

They haven't finished above 20th in the league since 17-18, and they've drafted high but I think you can question if they've drafted well, and they also made some bad moves to trade assets that were high picks away. So you can call it "Year 3" but really it's "Year 8" for Chicago.

Edit: For San Jose this is "Year 6"...they finished 29th OV in 19-20. Calgary would realistically be in "Year 2".

Once they dealt Dach the blew up the previous attempt to rebuild and started over again. Poor trades, drafting and prospects.

It's not going much better now.

These things takes time and sometimes it doesn't even work the first time. Obviously in Canada they feel different so we will see how it goes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Remember when Cozens had a dominant season and then a stellar playoffs with hat tricks and a finals OT goal on the way to the cup? me neither.

Kadri is exactly the type of player that puts a team over the top they could easily trade him and get decent value

I don’t see many if any teams looking at a 34 year old with 4.5 years left on his deal and think that is the player they need to put them over the top.

Do the Flames eat 2-3.5M? Then they might be able to make a deal. Kadri is more than a decade older than Cozens

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol what a terrible take...like its easy to put up points on the Flames. If Kadri was in the final year of his deal he would probably be the top guy on the market...especially with retention.

But he is not in the last year of his deal. He will be 38 when that happens and I doubt he will be a top guy on the market then.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t see many if any teams looking at a 34 year old with 4.5 years left on his deal and think that is the player they need to put them over the top.

Do the Flames eat 2-3.5M? Then they might be able to make a deal. Kadri is more than a decade older than Cozens

A 34 year old Stamkos just got 4 years 8M AAV.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

But he is not in the last year of his deal. He will be 38 when that happens and I doubt he will be a top guy on the market then.

did you even read the post I was responding to?

"Even if it was this year alone on his contract I think it might be difficult."

that is absolute nonsense

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Once they dealt Dach the blew up the previous attempt to rebuild and started over again. Poor trades, drafting and prospects.

It's not going much better now.

These things takes time and sometimes it doesn't even work the first time. Obviously in Canada they feel different so we will see how it goes.

It's fine to try to re-start, but the previous effort is still relevant.

The Blackhawks are in season 8 of their attempted rebuild / cycle of drafting in the top 10.

Just because they are in season 3 of "Phase 2" of that rebuild doesn't make it any better, just means they already screwed up once.

In the end saying Chicago is in year 3 of a rebuild or San Jose is in year 2 is being too generous to them, Chicago has been drafting in the lottery consistently for 8 years now, San Jose for 6 years, that matters whether it was planned or not.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Robbob

A 34 year old Stamkos just got 4 years 8M AAV.

People still think 7M is a big cap hit...the cap will be over 100M soon. 7M will be an okay player.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Robbob

A 34 year old Stamkos just got 4 years 8M AAV.

Is there anyone left who doesnt think this was a mistake? I'd say Stamkos is clearly a class above Kadri, to boot.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's fine to try to re-start, but the previous effort is still relevant.

The Blackhawks are in season 8 of their attempted rebuild / cycle of drafting in the top 10.

Just because they are in season 3 of "Phase 2" of that rebuild doesn't make it any better, just means they already screwed up once.

No I get that, wasn't trying to argue that we forget the last attempt.

Just that it's not a simple as tank and the rebuild is over, sometimes it just doesn't work out and you have to keep going.

Think the Oilers had 3 phases? Until they lucked into McDavid.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's being a bit generous towards Chicago as their rebuild is much longer than 3 seasons at this point.

They drafted 8th overall in 2018 (Boqvist) and 3rd overall in 2019 (Dach) and that was clearly part of the "rebuild".

Traded away a bunch of assets including a 6th OV pick (Jiricek) and 12th OV (Sillinger) for Jones

Korchinski and Nazar don't look that special.

They haven't given Bedard the support required to actually develop into a super star.

And even Levshunov is having an okay season in the AHL...maybe should have spent another year in the NCAA.

They haven't finished above 20th in the league since 17-18, and they've drafted high but I think you can question if they've drafted well, and they also made some bad moves to trade assets that were high picks away. So you can call it "Year 3" but really it's "Year 8" for Chicago.

Edit: For San Jose this is "Year 6"...they finished 29th OV in 19-20. Calgary would realistically be in "Year 2".

They weren't rebuilding until the year after that Jones trade. That Jones trade was their last ditch attempt to staying competitive with the remnants of their Stanley Cups (Kane and Toews) in 2021.

In 2022, Chicago traded away Debrincat and Dach. That was the start of their rebuild. They realized what they were doing was not a path forward to success, so they hard pivoted in July of 2022.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Is there anyone left who doesnt think this was a mistake? I'd say Stamkos is clearly a class above Kadri, to boot.

Kadri has more points than him right now...despite you calling his numbers mediocre.
Less money, more points...Kadri plays a grinding style in the playoffs too. Ask the Blues.

Teams would want Kadri, it makes zero sense for the Flames to move him now unless there is a benefit. Paying to move him or even giving him away now would be stupid. He is one of their better players and good with the young guys.

Kadri as a 2nd or 3rd line center could tip the scales for sure, what is a cup worth?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Is there anyone left who doesnt think this was a mistake? I'd say Stamkos is clearly a class above Kadri, to boot.

The team he captained and spent his entire career for didn't feel he was worth much and moved on.

Kadri can still take regular 5 on 5 shifts and plays a premium position.