2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I didn't propose any deal? Also, a lot of those guys are struggling right now:

-- Silverberg 17pts in 50gp
-- K.Hayes 22pts in 49gp
-- J. Hayes 23pts in 49gp
-- B. Pirri 23pts in 49gp
-- K. Rychel 9pts in 23gp

So if, for example, Silverberg is worth a 2nd and a 3rd, but Anahiem doesn't want any current Flames roster players, doesn't mean the Flames can't sell off Hudler to another club for a 2nd and 3rd to give to Anahiem.

I think it is still a reach. Pirri is probably the most available - but I doubt the Ducks are going to give up Silfverberg at this stage - particularly since if the offense isn't there - the two way game is solid.
Now I do agree that where there is opportunity is to stock up on those picks to put yourself in position to make a deal - just as the Flames did last year to get Hamilton.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Hey guys. Just out of curiosity, what do you all think of Kasperi Kapanen ? I traded for him in a sim hockey league, heard he can bust or Boom. Gave up Backlund for the curious.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think it is still a reach. Pirri is probably the most available - but I doubt the Ducks are going to give up Silfverberg at this stage - particularly since if the offense isn't there - the two way game is solid.
Now I do agree that where there is opportunity is to stock up on those picks to put yourself in position to make a deal - just as the Flames did last year to get Hamilton.

What's a reach? I haven't proposed anything yet?

Is it possible to get K. Hayes for Hudler and Granlund? Drouin for Hickey, Shore and Russell? Silverberg for Backlund and Colborne?

Those are proposals worth criticizing, since we know nobody would proposal any tangible alternatives...

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Hey guys. Just out of curiosity, what do you all think of Kasperi Kapanen ? I traded for him in a sim hockey league, heard he can bust or Boom. Gave up Backlund for the curious.

I really liked Kapanen going into the draft, but since then he hasn't really shown himself to be a capable top 6 guy. Most figure he will be a good 3rd liner. From that standpoint, I guess in a long-term asset management way of looking at things in a fantasy league, it wasn't a bad trade for you. I think there is still potential to be more than a 3rd liner, but in the real world I wouldn't trade Backlund for Kapanen now - I would have at the time of the draft though.

As for everyone talking about Wideman, I doubt the Flames are going to give him away for nothing, much less include sweeteners to take his contract. Flames should have enough money coming off the books to re-sign who they need to. Unless you think they are poised to take on a couple of big contracts in the off-season (which may hurt them down the road with Bennett and other potential higher dollar contracts), I just don't see the 'need' to get rid of Wideman at all costs.

Next year, I think teams will be more interested in taking him on. His contract expires, and some teams may have a need for an offensive defencemen, even if it is just to try and improve or balance their PP. Yes, Wideman seems to suck on the PP this year, but last year he didn't. Wideman has had a good years followed by bad years. I would take the chance he rebounds next season, and generates a lot of interest, rather than spend assets or even give him away for free to be rid of a contract that won't exactly hurt the Flames.

If Wideman had another year or two after next, then I would be more like-minded in the need to get rid of him. I would rather buy out Raymond (which I don't think should happen or even needs to happen) before I unload Wideman for free.

Wideman may very well get the Flames a 2nd next year. Defencemen are pricey at the deadline. If Wideman is having even an average year - or even an average start - there will be teams interested. If he has another terrible season, well, Flames just eat that contract for the rest of the year. I still would hate to see them expend any asset at all just to be rid of him. I think it is well worth the gamble.

Who knows - after this suspension, he may come back and start doing really well again, much like 2 years ago when Giordano went down and Wideman stepped up his game after having a fairly mediocre-to-bad season to that point.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Younger, better skater, more consistent goal scorer, better two way game.

Eriksson is much more valuable IMO. Your cherry picking of their stats ignores several years where Eriksson scored 26-36 goals, totals Hudler has NEVER achieved in his entire career. Eriksson is clearly the more consistent goal scorer if you look at their full careers. And as the younger player shouldn't be declining as soon as Hudler will.

No question really.

While I agree with most of this; age is not remotely a factor in their trade value, being 18 months younger when both are about to be UFAs means nothing at all.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I really liked Kapanen going into the draft, but since then he hasn't really shown himself to be a capable top 6 guy. Most figure he will be a good 3rd liner. From that standpoint, I guess in a long-term asset management way of looking at things in a fantasy league, it wasn't a bad trade for you. I think there is still potential to be more than a 3rd liner, but in the real world I wouldn't trade Backlund for Kapanen now - I would have at the time of the draft though.

As for everyone talking about Wideman, I doubt the Flames are going to give him away for nothing, much less include sweeteners to take his contract. Flames should have enough money coming off the books to re-sign who they need to. Unless you think they are poised to take on a couple of big contracts in the off-season (which may hurt them down the road with Bennett and other potential higher dollar contracts), I just don't see the 'need' to get rid of Wideman at all costs.

Next year, I think teams will be more interested in taking him on. His contract expires, and some teams may have a need for an offensive defencemen, even if it is just to try and improve or balance their PP. Yes, Wideman seems to suck on the PP this year, but last year he didn't. Wideman has had a good years followed by bad years. I would take the chance he rebounds next season, and generates a lot of interest, rather than spend assets or even give him away for free to be rid of a contract that won't exactly hurt the Flames.

If Wideman had another year or two after next, then I would be more like-minded in the need to get rid of him. I would rather buy out Raymond (which I don't think should happen or even needs to happen) before I unload Wideman for free.

Wideman may very well get the Flames a 2nd next year. Defencemen are pricey at the deadline. If Wideman is having even an average year - or even an average start - there will be teams interested. If he has another terrible season, well, Flames just eat that contract for the rest of the year. I still would hate to see them expend any asset at all just to be rid of him. I think it is well worth the gamble.

Who knows - after this suspension, he may come back and start doing really well again, much like 2 years ago when Giordano went down and Wideman stepped up his game after having a fairly mediocre-to-bad season to that point.

I could see the Flames being in the playoff mix next year and therefore would keep Wideman for the duration of the year. The only way they part with Wideman is if they were out of a playoff spot again. Or they part with him now.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I could see the Flames being in the playoff mix next year and therefore would keep Wideman for the duration of the year. The only way they part with Wideman is if they were out of a playoff spot again. Or they part with him now.

I'm sure they'd be happy to trade him if they could get anything with positive value. Keep in mind he also has a NTC so that will make trading him pretty difficult. Can't see him uprooting his family for a season and a bit.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I could see the Flames being in the playoff mix next year and therefore would keep Wideman for the duration of the year. The only way they part with Wideman is if they were out of a playoff spot again. Or they part with him now.

What? They've been reported by reputable sources to be trying everything they could to trade Wideman since last summer. If there was a taker he'd be gone. They're not waiting for any team related scenarios to trade him.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What? They've been reported by reputable sources to be trying everything they could to trade Wideman since last summer. If there was a taker he'd be gone. They're not waiting for any team related scenarios to trade him.

Or he told the team he would t waive and the team has respected that and not made it public..thats why we havnt heard anything since?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And why would any of those teams give such a deal more than half a second of thought?

Jeff Skinner is very available in CAR I think. Teams (incl. CAR) are worried about his injury issues.

I believe Freidman has stated a couple of times on SN960 that the Canes would not mind moving that 6M salary.

[sureLoss]

Friedman on 960 says any rumors that Flames were upset about the Wideman suspension because they were close to trading him are false. (re: Boomer said he had heard that they were close to moving him before the suspension).

They have been shopping him but there are many hoops to go through before a deal is close. (i.e. implying no trade was close)

Teams are going to wait to see how the suspension appeal plays out in any case.

[sureLoss]

Friedman also on 960 says Jets are taking a big run at re-signing Byfuglien. Some belief it could happen soon.

[sureLoss]

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman also on 960 says Jets are taking a big run at re-signing Byfuglien. Some belief it could happen soon.

Jets do have plenty of cap space and what good is it if you aren't going to use that space to retain your best players? The optics of losing both Ladd and Buff to free agency when you have one of the lowest paid rosters in the league is not good.

[Knut]

I would way rather keep Byf than Ladd at this point. Ladd's game is likely going to fall off a cliff here pretty soon.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hesla

I would way rather keep Byf than Ladd at this point. Ladd's game is likely going to fall off a cliff here pretty soon.

Yeah I think the team that lands Ladd in free agency is going to have major buyer's remorse within two years after the deal is signed. I just don't think he's dynamic enough to carry his play well into his 30's. Yeah he's a good leader but you have to put a salary cap price on leadership.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I think the team that lands Ladd in free agency is going to have major buyer's remorse within two years after the deal is signed. I just don't think he's dynamic enough to carry his play well into his 30's. Yeah he's a good leader but you have to put a salary cap price on leadership.

He's not even that great of a leader, at least publicly. I find Wheeler to be way more of a leader.

[Illuminaughty]

Agree, Wheeler is the better player and better leader I believe, and likely next years captain.

[MarkGio]

With Buff taken off the market, I believe Wideman is the last top 4 offensive defenseman on the market.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

With Buff taken off the market, I believe Wideman is the last top 4 offensive defenseman on the market.

Barrie's name was popping up earlier this year, and for some reason Shattenkirk is always in rumors.