2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by herashak

Eriksson most likely has a fair bit more value than hudler.

And why would that be? Over the last three seasons Hudler has been the much more productive player.

Hudler - 207 GP, 55G, 103A, 158P
Eriksson - 194 GP, 48G, 76A, 124P

What makes Eriksson have "a fair bit more value" than Hudler? I mean, other than usual hype that comes from playing for an eastern based team and the complete lack of respect players get while biding their time in Calgary.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A key to trading Wideman will be getting his suspension reduced. He will have served 13 games before the 29th so if the suspension is reduced to 15 games he could still be in play at the deadline and a team would take a chance considering they get him for another year as well.

Wideman's suspension is likely irrelevant. Most teams will be grabbing him for the stretch drive and the playoffs, plus the following year. When that suspension is up will likely have a very small bearing on anyone's interest in Wideman.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Mark McNeil is a total bust, no thank you.

And to think I was hoping the Flames would pick him. Durrr

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

And why would that be? Over the last three seasons Hudler has been the much more productive player.

Hudler - 207 GP, 55G, 103A, 158P
Eriksson - 194 GP, 48G, 76A, 124P

What makes Eriksson have "a fair bit more value" than Hudler? I mean, other than usual hype that comes from playing for an eastern based team and the complete lack of respect players get while biding their time in Calgary.

Younger, better skater, more consistent goal scorer, better two way game.

Eriksson is much more valuable IMO. Your cherry picking of their stats ignores several years where Eriksson scored 26-36 goals, totals Hudler has NEVER achieved in his entire career. Eriksson is clearly the more consistent goal scorer if you look at their full careers. And as the younger player shouldn't be declining as soon as Hudler will.

No question really.

[dissentowner]

If we can ship Wideman off for Eriksson that would be great, especially if we can ink him to a new contract. Would look good on the top line on RW.

[Harry Lime]

Maybe Boston is hoping to begin a trend of recapturing old bruins. Wideman, colborne and a third seems reasonable.

I wouldn't mind putting the extra 2+ million we would have to invest in colborne toward signing eriksson to a three year deal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Wideman's suspension is likely irrelevant. Most teams will be grabbing him for the stretch drive and the playoffs, plus the following year. When that suspension is up will likely have a very small bearing on anyone's interest in Wideman.

The 7 games Wideman will miss post deadline represent 1/3 of the stretch drive so I do think the length of the suspension is highly relevant.

[MarkGio]

Here's a few cheap and young pieces I think the Flames should explore:

-- JVR (LW 26yr)
-- J. Skinner (LW 23yr)
-- J. Silverberg (RW 25 yr)
-- K. Hayes (RW 26yr)
-- J. Hayes (RW 26yr)
-- K. Rychel (LW 20yr)
-- B. Pirri (LW 24yr)
-- J. Drouin (LW 20yr)

I would place the following guys on the block to land them:
-- K. Russell
-- M. Backlund
-- J. Colborne
-- D. Wideman (50% retained)
-- J. Hudler
-- D. Jones

[MarkGio]

Double post

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Here's a few cheap and young pieces I think the Flames should explore:

-- JVR (LW 26yr)
-- J. Skinner (LW 23yr)
-- J. Silverberg (RW 25 yr)
-- K. Hayes (RW 26yr)
-- J. Hayes (RW 26yr)
-- K. Rychel (LW 20yr)
-- B. Pirri (LW 24yr)
-- J. Drouin (LW 20yr)

I would place the following guys on the block to land them:
-- K. Russell
-- M. Backlund
-- J. Colborne
-- D. Wideman (50% retained)
-- J. Hudler
-- D. Jones

One of those guys is not like the other. It would take one of the young core guys to get JVR out of Toronto.

[The Original FFIV]

Flames scout taking in habs canes game.

From Garrioch Twitter feed.

Lots more scouts in Montreal today than there were here last night in Ottawa. #NHL

Plenty of NHL scouts at Sunday's #Habs vs. #Hurricanes game at Bell Centre:

Don't play habs until March 20 and no games vs hurricanes this season.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

One of those guys is not like the other. It would take one of the young core guys to get JVR out of Toronto.

That's what we said about getting Dougie out of Boston

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Here's a few cheap and young pieces I think the Flames should explore:

-- JVR (LW 26yr)
-- J. Skinner (LW 23yr)
-- J. Silverberg (RW 25 yr)
-- K. Hayes (RW 26yr)
-- J. Hayes (RW 26yr)
-- K. Rychel (LW 20yr)
-- B. Pirri (LW 24yr)
-- J. Drouin (LW 20yr)

I would place the following guys on the block to land them:
-- K. Russell
-- M. Backlund
-- J. Colborne
-- D. Wideman (50% retained)
-- J. Hudler
-- D. Jones

And why would any of those teams give such a deal more than half a second of thought?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

One of those guys is not like the other. It would take one of the young core guys to get JVR out of Toronto.

Disagree. His career high is 61 points he's 26 now. Not a chance he would cost one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett/Gio/Brodie/Hamilton.

I could see something like Poirier + 1st (not Flames own, if they land a late first from another trade).

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And why would any of those teams give such a deal more than half a second of thought?

I didn't propose any deal? Also, a lot of those guys are struggling right now:

-- Silverberg 17pts in 50gp
-- K.Hayes 22pts in 49gp
-- J. Hayes 23pts in 49gp
-- B. Pirri 23pts in 49gp
-- K. Rychel 9pts in 23gp

So if, for example, Silverberg is worth a 2nd and a 3rd, but Anahiem doesn't want any current Flames roster players, doesn't mean the Flames can't sell off Hudler to another club for a 2nd and 3rd to give to Anahiem.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Disagree. His career high is 61 points he's 26 now. Not a chance he would cost one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett/Gio/Brodie/Hamilton.

I could see something like Poirier + 1st (not Flames own, if they land a late first from another trade).

I disagree with that return, the Leafs would hang up unless that 1st was a top 10. JVR is a big bodied sniper in the prime of his career. I would also argue his numbers have suffered playing on that crappy roster.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Younger, better skater, more consistent goal scorer, better two way game.

I'll give you the younger argument, but disagree with the rest. If Eriksson was such a consistent goal scorer shouldn't he be outscoring Hudler, especially playing on a much better team, like Boston? I also don' think the difference in age is going to be a detractor between either. I can't see 18 months impacting much, especially for two guys that are going to be rentals. Add in Hudler's Stanley Cup experience I think that easily gives him the edge over Eriksson as a rental.

Eriksson is much more valuable IMO. Your cherry picking of their stats ignores several years where Eriksson scored 26-36 goals, totals Hudler has NEVER achieved in his entire career. Eriksson is clearly the more consistent goal scorer if you look at their full careers. And as the younger player shouldn't be declining as soon as Hudler will.

Except when establishing their fair market value they should only be judged on their performances over a reasonable period of time, which should probably be the last three years and for their current teams, which ironically just happens to be in the same time period.

Hey, here's some more "cherry picked" stats for you. What each player has done in the post season.

Hudler - 77 GP, 16G, 25A, 41P
Eriksson - 34 GP, 6G, 8A, 14P

Even just "cherry picking" their recent playoff performances the edge is to Hudler.

Hudler - 11 GP, 4G, 4A, 8P
Eriksson - 12 GP, 2G, 3A, 5P

No question really.

Yeah, no question really. Eriksson gets to live off his reputation of play from 4 years ago on a different team instead of being judged on the past number of years, the same number of years, as Hudler. Hudler has been terribly under rated during his career and continues to be.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I disagree with that return, the Leafs would hang up unless that 1st was a top 10. JVR is a big bodied sniper in the prime of his career. I would also argue his numbers have suffered playing on that crappy roster.

If that were the case, JVR would be making other players better rather than needing better players to play with, making him better.. If that makes any sense.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Wideman's suspension is likely irrelevant. Most teams will be grabbing him for the stretch drive and the playoffs, plus the following year. When that suspension is up will likely have a very small bearing on anyone's interest in Wideman.

Yeah getting a team to think they can get the Offensive production from Wideman that the Flames did last year will have far more impact on a potential deal.

For the record I don't think he's going anywhere unless the Flames want a worse player who's signed to more term for more money like David Clarkson.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah getting a team to think they can get the Offensive production from Wideman that the Flames did last year will have far more impact on a potential deal.

For the record I don't think he's going anywhere unless the Flames want a worse player who's signed to more term for more money like David Clarkson.

Pretty much agree with this. A team will have to believe they can get Wideman to step up and become an offensive threat for them. Without that beliefe no one is going to touch him unless the Flames cough up a good asset along with him.