LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I wonder what the chances of Phillips being claimed are. He probably has the highest ceiling out of anyone the Flames are exposing.

And Gio does have his trade control, age, and cap hit.

I think Matthew Phillips just straight up has more value than Kylington at this point.

Could be Phillips has more value to kraken than Kylington. With most teams only protecting 3 dmen there are going to be a whole lot of “Kylington” dmen left exposed , and better dmen to boot.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Could be Phillips has more value to kraken than Kylington. With most teams only protecting 3 dmen there are going to be a whole lot of “Kylington” dmen left exposed , and better dmen to boot.

Yes that's another thing to consider. Possibly more guys like Kylington available than Phillips.

However, since Gio has been exposed, and the Flames tried to make a deal to protect him, maybe Seattle does have interest in Gio.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No, the remarkable thing was how they managed to get 2 or 3 assets from 10 teams, when everyone only owed them 1.

Nobody at the time thought Vegas had drafted a powerhouse roster. It’s revisionist thinking. People are thinking of what those players became rather than what they were when Vegas drafted them.

Here are the year-over-year point increases:

Karlsson +53
Marchessault +24
Perron +20
Smith +23
Haula +29
Miller +27
Tuch +37
Schmidt +19
Theodore +21

Nobody saw that coming.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Nobody at the time thought Vegas had drafted a powerhouse roster. It’s revisionist thinking. People are thinking of what those players became rather than what they were when Vegas drafted them.

Here are the year-over-year point increases:

Karlsson +53
Marchessault +24
Perron +20
Smith +23
Haula +29
Miller +27
Tuch +37
Schmidt +19
Theodore +21

Nobody saw that coming.

It's not just that people didn't think they would be good, people were mad that they didn't take the best player available and did side deals!

A lot of people thought Vegas completely blew it and did other GM's 'favors'

Now that they were actually the smartest people in the room the narrative has flipped that they were 'gifted' a team, other teams were stupid, etc

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Nobody at the time thought Vegas had drafted a powerhouse roster. It’s revisionist thinking. People are thinking of what those players became rather than what they were when Vegas drafted them.

Here are the year-over-year point increases:

Karlsson +53
Marchessault +24
Perron +20
Smith +23
Haula +29
Miller +27
Tuch +37
Schmidt +19
Theodore +21

Nobody saw that coming.

I don’t see where I made a counter argument to this at all.

[Macman]

I hope we don't lose Mark Giordano because if Seattle does go that route and picks him, they're going to be a good team.

And who are the Flames going to replace him with?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Now that they were actually the smartest people in the room the narrative has flipped that they were 'gifted' a team, other teams were stupid, etc

Exactly. Based on their opening day roster nobody even had them pegged to make the playoffs in their inaugural season. It's a combination of outsmarting the rest of the league while having a lot of other things go in their favor.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It's not just that people didn't think they would be good, people were mad that they didn't take the best player available and did side deals!

A lot of people thought Vegas completely blew it and did other GM's 'favors'

Now that they were actually the smartest people in the room the narrative has flipped that they were 'gifted' a team, other teams were stupid, etc

Yep. Go back and read the comments. People thought Vegas made a mockery of the generous format they were granted by deliberately drafting a terrible roster with the aim to tank.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Macman

I hope we don't lose Mark Giordano because if Seattle does go that route and picks him, they're going to be a good team.

And who are the Flames going to replace him with?

Someone through free agency would be my guess.

He was their 3rd best defensman last year in my mind. I think he is replaceable skillwise. Maybe not leadershipwise.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The career stats for most of those guys before they joined Vegas were unimpressive. Karlsson’s career high was 25 pts. Haula’s career high was 32 pts and he was coming off a 28 pt season. Schmidt had a career high of 17 pts. Smith had a career high of 50 pts, but he was coming off a 37 pt season. Tuch was a highly regarded prospect, but hardly a blue-chipper. Perron was an aging and oft-injured reclamation project who had only put up more than 22 pts once in the previous 5 seasons.

Go back and read the media and fan responses to their draft. Other than some appreciative comments about Marchessault, the consensus was that forward group wasn’t impressive at all and would struggle mightily to score goals.

The remarkable thing about the Knights wasn’t that they were able to draft a powerhouse roster. But that a collection of 3rd line players exploded to blow past previous production once given more opportunity.

Go back and read fan and media responses? Consensus? Hilarious. The vast majority of fans and media here and far can’t form a valid evaluation of a hockey player.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If it’s a fantasy, then it’s one shared by most NHL GMs and coaches. The deals that brought in Coleman and Goodrow are widely credited with pushing the Lightning over the top.

Which skilled players did the Lightning ship out of town to add Coleman and Goodrow? They already had more skill than most teams in the league; that's why they were close enough to the top for a couple of small trades to push them over. And they kept that skill, and would not have won championships without it.

And since when is Coleman an unskilled mook? I offer no opinion on Goodrow, as you may have a different idea of what constitutes a mook; but Coleman is a pretty good hockey player, though never a top producer. He scored 21 goals in 57 games for the Devils the year they traded him. You don't do that just by wanting it lots.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It's not just that people didn't think they would be good, people were mad that they didn't take the best player available and did side deals!

A lot of people thought Vegas completely blew it and did other GM's 'favors'

Now that they were actually the smartest people in the room the narrative has flipped that they were 'gifted' a team, other teams were stupid, etc

This is very true. Many here stated that they could have done a much better job. Most felt they took too much in the way of futures, bypassing a decent team.

It quite hilarious reading the old tread.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

This is very true. Many here stated that they could have done a much better job. Most felt they took too much in the way of futures, bypassing a decent team.

It quite hilarious reading the old tread.

Which thread is that?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Seattle will be sharing an AHL affiliate for their first season with the Panthers while the Palm Springs arena is built.

So maybe 7-9 players tops will need spots. Basically a glorified taxi squad. Players that can move up and down and clear waivers rather easily. Which might be the only reason they'd take Kylington.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It's not just that people didn't think they would be good, people were mad that they didn't take the best player available and did side deals!

A lot of people thought Vegas completely blew it and did other GM's 'favors'

Now that they were actually the smartest people in the room the narrative has flipped that they were 'gifted' a team, other teams were stupid, etc

The rules were so soft they could've blown it and gotten away with it. They got a roster and a half worth of NHL talent to choose from, so they had a lot of chances to blow.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Which thread is that?

Vegas Golden Knights Expansion Draft.

I complimented Florida in being able to dump Reilly Smith on Vegas.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The rules were so soft they could've blown it and gotten away with it. They got a roster and a half worth of NHL talent to choose from, so they had a lot of chances to blow.

They got a roster and a half worth of what was supposed to be below-average NHL talent. Every team protected either 9 or 11 of its best players, and first- and second-year pros were automatically exempt. Some teams were so bad they didn't have an NHL-quality player to expose – remember Griffin Reinhart?

The Golden Knights should have had a roster full of journeymen with absolutely no stars. They did a whole lot better than anyone had a right to expect, and they did it because so many of the GMs made huge errors – remember Shea Theodore?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

This is very true. Many here stated that they could have done a much better job. Most felt they took too much in the way of futures, bypassing a decent team.

It quite hilarious reading the old tread.

I thought they could either field a competent competitive team or a team that would suck but would have a great future with prospects and picks, but that they did neither and went right down the middle and drafted a mediocre - just out of the POs team. I was wrong, needless to say.