I don't have a problem with animals being killed (as humanely as possible) for meat (food-that's the way it is in the nature, which we are a part of) but killing animals for fur, ivory or testicles is just wrong.
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Oh I see, so we extinct the passenger pigeon to survive even though they we considered fun to kill, not a food source. Oh wait, cutting down the rainforests is cruicial to our survival too as we would die without cheap paper. Oh, and wait Elephants are almost extinct because we could never survive without ivory. When are you going to look in the mirror and admit that humans have made too many mistakes selfishly in the past and feel a bit of shame on what we have done? Never, because people like you don't give a crap. Who cares if animals die, if the world is over polluted and the planet is dying, it won't be your generation that pays the price right? I am done discussing this with you, it's pointless.
I'll tell you what.
I'll feel shame for killing passenger pigeons, and elephants as soon as I go out and shoot one, or buy me a nice big peice of ivory.
Just a question. Have you ever slapped a mosquito? Because if so, i suggest you look in the mirror and feel some shame for that atrocity which you yourself comitted instead of feeling shame for the sins of your forefathers.
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I don't have a problem with animals being killed (as humanely as possible) for meat (food-that's the way it is in the nature, which we are a part of) but killing animals for fur, ivory or testicles is just wrong.
I have no trouble with animals being slaughtered as long as we use all of it.
There's not enough brains being eaten nowadays.
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Great, but do Lions have any other choice? Do you hunt for your food or buy it from a grocery chain that gets it's meat from an inhumane slaughter house?
I hunt for some of my food, does that make me a better person than all these s who are buying from Sobey's?
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Out of curiosity, would it be more humane if Safeway owned large herds of cows and pigs, and hired people to spear them to death as needed?
Human beings are omnivores. You may choose to be a vegetarian, but guess, what? I don't. And there isn't a single holier-than-thou argument that any vegetarian/vegan can invent that invalidates the natural order of things.
If you want to argue whether or not food production methods are humane, that is one thing. But animals are not all equals. They are either predators or they are prey. Predators eat the prey. Grade one science class. Sucks to be the pigs and cows who are our prey.
Your totally right, that is your choice and I am ok with it. What I am not ok with is inhumane treatment in slaughterhouses, watching pigs hung up and gutted alive while they swing and suffer among other sufferings that other animals go through. Anyone who thinks different go ahead and youtube a video of a slaughterhouse, there are plenty. Even worse is animals being used for medical experiments, not only is the animal put through severe trauma but most of the times the experiment fails as we are different species. If we need to move forward in medicine for cures and I think we do then why not use death row inmates or multiple life sentence criminals? You would get better results and we would not have to pay to feed criminals who have chosen that path and are no longer a use to society.
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Your totally right, that is your choice and I am ok with it. What I am not ok with is inhumane treatment in slaughterhouses, watching pigs hung up and gutted alive while they swing and suffer among other sufferings that other animals go through. Anyone who thinks different go ahead and youtube a video of a slaughterhouse, there are plenty. Even worse is animals being used for medical experiments, not only is the animal put through severe trauma but most of the times the experiment fails as we are different species. If we need to move forward in medicine for cures and I think we do then why not use death row inmates or multiple life sentence criminals? You would get better results and we would not have to pay to feed criminals who have chosen that path and are no longer a use to society.
Whoa, hold on a second there.
You think it's morally indefensible to cause suffering to animals, yet you think it's okay to inflict this same suffering on other humans (quality of human, is of course a bit of a question mark), but that to me ruins your entire position.
So what is wrong with the suffering? Is it inherently wrong to inflict suffering on an animal, and if so why does this standard not apply to humans?
Or could it be that you only think it is wrong to inflict suffering on something you think is cute.
That's what I was getting at with my mosquito question earlier. Where do you draw the line on what is acceptable to kill/use/eat.
And how can you be against eating a hamburger, but not experimenting on humans.
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I have no trouble with animals being slaughtered as long as we use all of it.
There's not enough brains being eaten nowadays.
All kidding aside, humans are the only animals killing prey for other purposes than eating it. Killing for other purposes goes beyond "natural laws of nature" and as such it is subjected to one's own ethical judgement. So I think here you can apply moral judgement and get on a high horse, whereas in the case "killing for eating" you cannot.
Yeah, it's all funny right? Watch this video and see where your meat comes from. I bet most of you won't.]
you're so full of crap.
I watched a pretty gruesome documentary on HBO a month back, about some nerdy kid taking a pig farmer to court. Later that night I had pork chops for diner.
What the farmer did in that movie, and in that video is wrong, but that doesn't mean eating meat is wrong. It's nature man, animals eat animals. They're yummy.
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