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JustAnotherGuy · 03-31-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Since the point went right over your head, then there must not be a point.
But I made a point.
That is not correct, you have no point, but I have a witty quip aobut a tree.

I didn't say there wasn't a problem. I said that I've never had a problem, but that if there is a problem with the driking water somewhere in Calgary it is up to the city to fix the problem, and that that has nothing to do with providing/selling bottled water in their buildings.

If the water in City Hall is just peachy, why should the city sell bottled water?

If the water is crappy in Forest Lawn, why does that change the fact that the city doens't have to provide bottled water in their buildings.

The responsibilty of the city is to provide safe drinking water.
If it isnt' safe somewhere, then fix the problem. If it's a matter of taste, then that's not the city's problem as there will always be more people that complain than people who praise.

Either way, if the city is doing their job and providing safe water from the tap, then isn't providing water in bottles not redundant, and wasteful?

Go back into your little coccoon of denile and leave the worldly topics to other people who actually live in the world.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 03-31-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Go back into your little coccoon of denile and leave the worldly topics to other people who actually live in the world.

Dude, why be a jerk about it.
You claimed I said there wasn't a problem which wasn't true.
What I said was that there may be problems in parts of the city, and if there is it is the city's responsibilty to fix it, and that this really has no relevance to the city selling bottled water.
If you want to explain how bad water in some part of the city should impact if the city sells water at city hall please do, because telling me to leave the worldy topics to people who live there seems more like you're saying
"Hey I love to complain about everything, and that's my right, so if you're going to rationally refute my complaints I'm going to take my ball and go home".

Also the following water quality report seems to support my hypothesis that the city does in fact provide safe water.
http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/...ity_report.pdf

I'm still open to the posibility that there are issues in some parts of the city, but untill you can provide some sort of eveidence other than "The water is gross"
I'm going to stick with this an say that for the VAST majority of Calgarians the water is just fine, and that the city providing bottled water is both redundant, and wasteful.

Bobblehead · 03-31-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Go back into your little coccoon of denile and leave the worldly topics to other people who actually live in the world.

What the heck are you trying to say?

Your water at home tastes bad so ... the the city are idiots for not selling bottled water in municipal buildings anymore?

I don't understand how those things are connected.

And stop being condescending with your "tress falling" stuff. You're coming off like a ######.

JustAnotherGuy · 03-31-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Dude, why be a jerk about it.
You claimed I said there wasn't a problem which wasn't true.
What I said was that there may be problems in parts of the city, and if there is it is the city's responsibilty to fix it, and that this really has no relevance to the city selling bottled water.
If you want to explain how bad water in some part of the city should impact if the city sells water at city hall please do, because telling me to leave the worldy topics to people who live there seems more like you're saying
"Hey I love to complain about everything, and that's my right, so if you're going to rationally refute my complaints I'm going to take my ball and go home".

Also the following water quality report seems to support my hypothesis that the city does in fact provide safe water.
http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/...ity_report.pdf

I'm still open to the posibility that there are issues in some parts of the city, but untill you can provide some sort of eveidence other than "The water is gross"
I'm going to stick with this an say that for the VAST majority of Calgarians the water is just fine, and that the city providing bottled water is both redundant, and wasteful.

I am irritated that you completely discount what I am telling you about the quality of my water and that you are whining about the conversation not sticking to the topic. So I will stop talking to you because you don't know how to actually have a conversation.

Table 5 · 03-31-2009, 12:50 PM

JustAnother######bag i guess....

Shantz was giving you some fairly good arguments, and you just keep yammering on about penis discharge.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 03-31-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I am irritated that you completely discount what I am telling you about the quality of my water and that you are whining about the conversation not sticking to the topic. So I will stop talking to you because you don't know how to actually have a conversation.

I'm not completely discounting that you may have bad water.
I acknowledged that there may be a problem in some parts of the city.
I suggested a possible reason, probably the plumbing, or water mains.
I noted that it is the city's responsibility to fix the problem.
And I went on to expalin why that is irrelevant to the to the topic at hand.

To which you replied that I was burying my head in the sand and denying there was a problem.

I reitireated all of my points, and asked you to explain why bad water in some parts of the city should be reason for the city to provide bottled water at it's buildings.

To which you replied, I don't live in the real world and have no idea what I'm talking about.

I again reiterated my points, and added a water analysis to show that the city is indeed providing safe water for the city. I also acknowledged that there may be a problem, but the vocal complaints of one guy do not convince me that the problem is wide spread enough that the city should provide bottled water. I also threw in a little dig because I thought you were being a little douchy.

So after all of this you come back saying I don't know how to have a conversation. I'm giving you well thought out reasoning for why I am in support of an issue, and you counter with condesending comments like "I guess you didn't hear the tree fall", and "My water is gross" and "Leave the real world issues to the peole who live there".

Sure thing, I don't know how to have a converastion.
So what is the correct response to have a conversation with you?
Should I have gone with:

1)"Hey, despite the complete lack of reason, or logic to your statements, you've completely swayed me to your side of the issue"
or
2) "Hey that tree comment was really cool and deep. I think you're awesome"

llama64 · 03-31-2009, 01:07 PM

Ceci wants to make it so that the City of Calgary uses it's own tap water instead of buying bottled water. He makes some compelling points too. Why shouldn't the governing body of Calgary take pride in it's own water system and promote it's use?

This might be a bit beyond some people, but the scope of what he wants to do is limited strickly to the City of Calgary, it's employees and facilities.

The City has no ability to prevent the sale of bottled water in stores so to those of you who seem to be freaking out over this... try re-reading the article and thinking beyond the headline.

Rhettzky · 03-31-2009, 01:07 PM

In related news, I saw Joe at McDonalds having lunch today. He said that just because no one heard the tree fall doesn't mean we have to sell bottled water at the Municipal building.

llama64 · 03-31-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Dasani is just municipal water that Coke filters then re-sells. That's quite the racket.

If you think tap water has a taste, use a Brita or any other filter.

Filters, then dumps a bag of salt in and charges $2.50 a bottle for.

Dasani is the single biggest rip off that I have seen in my life time. I genuinely feel sorry for people who spend money on it (and wonder how I can exploit their naivte as elegantly as Coca-Cola does).

JustAnotherGuy · 03-31-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I'm not completely discounting that you may have bad water.
I acknowledged that there may be a problem in some parts of the city.
I suggested a possible reason, probably the plumbing, or water mains.
I noted that it is the city's responsibility to fix the problem.
And I went on to expalin why that is irrelevant to the to the topic at hand.

To which you replied that I was burying my head in the sand and denying there was a problem.

I reitireated all of my points, and asked you to explain why bad water in some parts of the city should be reason for the city to provide bottled water at it's buildings.

To which you replied, I don't live in the real world and have no idea what I'm talking about.

I again reiterated my points, and added a water analysis to show that the city is indeed providing safe water for the city. I also acknowledged that there may be a problem, but the vocal complaints of one guy do not convince me that the problem is wide spread enough that the city should provide bottled water. I also threw in a little dig because I thought you were being a little douchy.

So after all of this you come back saying I don't know how to have a conversation. I'm giving you well thought out reasoning for why I am in support of an issue, and you counter with condesending comments like "I guess you didn't hear the tree fall", and "My water is gross" and "Leave the real world issues to the peole who live there".

Sure thing, I don't know how to have a converastion.
So what is the correct response to have a conversation with you?
Should I have gone with:

1)"Hey, despite the complete lack of reason, or logic to your statements, you've completely swayed me to your side of the issue"
or
2) "Hey that tree comment was really cool and deep. I think you're awesome"

Like I said. The conversation had shifted to talking about the quality of water in Calgary. I was giving my thoughts about the quality of water. My thoughts and other who I have talked to about it. You then said basically. No you are wrong, the quality of water is fine. So then you completed discounted my comments because you read a study and because you have not had any poor quality tap water in Calgary. So that is why I said the comment about the trees. I meant that since you didn't have any cases of the water being bad you felt it was fine. But alot of people in Calgary have had bad water. So then that is my example of an analogy. Just because you didn't see the tree fall doesn't mean it didn't. Go look at the tree.

Then you said I was not talking about the original topic. But I was talking about something that had changed as we talked about. But you didn't like that. So that is why I said about you not know how to converse about a topic. You don't let the natural flow of the conversation happen. Just sitting there saying.. What has that got to do with the original topic. So since you are stuck on that I am ignoring you because the conversation topic has changed. Do try to keep up.

Understand?

Bunk · 03-31-2009, 03:19 PM

Ceci's generally a good Alderman.

It's McIver that needs to go. He hangs around the PGIB crowd including the Craig Chandler (crazed redneck homophobe), Steve Chapman (wife beater), and Rob Anders (no explanation needed).

DementedReality · 03-31-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

Ceci's generally a good Alderman.

It's McIver that needs to go. He hangs around the PGIB crowd including the Craig Chandler (crazed redneck homophobe), Steve Chapman (wife beater), and Rob Anders (no explanation needed).

What is PGIB?

Bobblehead · 03-31-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DementedReality

What is PGIB?

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The Progressive Group for Independent Business (PGIB) was founded in 1992, in Burlington Ontario as a voice for small 'c' conservative business owners and individuals who were rapidly becoming economic refugees in their own country.

Since those days, the PGIB has grown substantially and continues to force issues of importance to the forefront of the political agenda. Our national office is in Alberta and we also have representation throughout British Columbia and Ontario.

http://www.pgib.ca/lobbying/aboutPGIB.shtml

DementedReality · 03-31-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

Ceci's generally a good Alderman.

It's McIver that needs to go. He hangs around the PGIB crowd including the Craig Chandler (crazed redneck homophobe), Steve Chapman (wife beater), and Rob Anders (no explanation needed).

interesting and sorry to derail, but now that i have some info on PGIB, why the negative conontation about it in your post? like they are some "crowd" of nimwits by being associated with PGIB.

Shazam · 03-31-2009, 06:18 PM

Just buy a god damned under sink water filter and shut up.

ricosuave · 03-31-2009, 08:59 PM

Just so people know, the only time City employees get free bottles of water is when the meetings or get togethers are catered or something.

Its not like there are fridges and fridges of the stuff that we can help ourselves too at any time, bring home for the wife, etc.

Nage Waza · 03-31-2009, 10:35 PM

In case it has not been posted yet, the reason people want bottled water banned is because of it's huge environmental footprint. It takes major energy to move water across the globe. Totally a wasteful thing that humans certainly are going to be 'paying' for in future generations.
The cost for the city is not the reason, if anyone said it, it was an error. The water in your tap here is good, or you can filter it yourself. To have it flown out is terrible.

Shazam · 03-31-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nage Waza

In case it has not been posted yet, the reason people want bottled water banned is because of it's huge environmental footprint. It takes major energy to move water across the globe. Totally a wasteful thing that humans certainly are going to be 'paying' for in future generations.

Same for every other drink in a can. Ban it all!

4X4 · 04-01-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Okay I'm going to go out on a limb and say there are a few possible reasons for your use of this example.

1) you didn't read the article
2) you think 7-11 is owned by the city
3) you work on construction sites that are mysteriously surrounded by a 5 mile radius of only municipal buildings

No where does it say the guy wants to ban bottled water throughout the whole city. He just doesn't want it sold or distributed in city owned buildings. So you'll still be able to buy it on your way to work, you just won't be able to buy it when you are standing in line to take out a building permit.

You got me this time Shantz. I responded to the idea of bottled water being banned in the city. I hear it's being done in places. My post was aimed at that idea.

4X4 · 04-01-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ricosuave

Just so people know, the only time City employees get free bottles of water is when the meetings or get togethers are catered or something.

Its not like there are fridges and fridges of the stuff that we can help ourselves too at any time, bring home for the wife, etc.

You're just saying that as a pre-emptive 'nay' for when anna asks you to bring her home a bottle of water with that stapler...