How does Joe Ceci still have a job?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

From the article, Ceci wants to ban vending machines that sell bottled water as well. How does that make sense?

Next on his agenda with be juices and pop sold in plastic bottles.

Instead of banning things maybe Ceci should consider the education route explaining the incredible waste of energy that is used to manufacture these bottles and transport them to market.

[Jayems]

Sometimes, I just don't want my mouth going anywhere near a public water fountain that some hobo has just shoved his nasty beard in.

Sometimes, I don't carry a cup around to keep my water in.

I just don't get it.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Responding to your facts.
1. They are talking about getting rid of the free water. Which in my opinion is fine. Get rid of it. They are also talking about not allowing the sale of any water bottles on city propery. Why?

2. Okay, if you use that arguement then why are we not talking about all beverages that come in a bottle. The pops, and juice drinks etc?

3. I disagree. The water at times is awful. But that is my opinion. Not trying to change yours.

To respond to your responses.

1. Not allowing the sale is a little silly I'll agree, but if he's doing it to make a point that a) the water quality in the city is good enough that bottled water is redundant, and b) that the bottles are wasteful, then I can see where he is coming from, but as I said it's a little silly.

2. We aren't talking about banning all of those other products because the city doesn't already provide ready to drink coke, and apple juice out of any tap.

3. You're free to disagree, but I'd say that the qualitative water analysis that is done constantly on the city's drinking water would agree with my position.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Good riddance. But I'm not getting my hopes up yet. He could convince Harper to bring in the 'fixers'.

Looks like Ander's mom reads the herald. From the comments section. hahahaha soo funny it has made my day.

Rob Anders is a terrific MP. Anders is the Winston Churchill of our time. A voice shouting out into the darkness. I am proud Rob Anders represents me in Ottawa. His principled stance is a welcomed change from the poll chasing lot that seems to over run Parliament. Donna hyphenated last name can join her Red Tory Liberal friends back in Toronto, or Yemen.

Haha, thanks for pointing that out! Winston Churchill and Rob Anders should NEVER be in the same sentence.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Dion

Instead of banning things maybe Ceci should consider the education route explaining the incredible waste of energy that is used to manufacture these bottles and transport them to market.

Why? Woulnd't that be a little inconsistent.
Tell me which of these statements makes more sense:
1) "We don't want to be a part of the problem, so we will not be selling what we consider to be a wasteful product within our buildings."
or
2) "We don't want anyone to use a wasteful product, especially when we already provide a perfeclty good alternative at any faucet in the city. What's that? Oh, yeah, the machine is down the hall....do you need some change?"

Is it a worthwhile project? Maybe, I don't think anyone will argue that bottled water is a bit wasteful, but Joe obviously thinks its worthwhile.
He's trying to save the city some money and maybe do a little good for the environment and all of a sudden he's the worst politician in the world?

I know the opponents will be saying things like "He should be worried about more important things", but guess what, they can't all be million dollar decisions, sometimes someone has to handle the small things.

[CGYTransplant]

Originally Posted by Suave

In most cases its that you will no longer get them for free or be able to purchase them at state/civic facilities. You will be expected to bring your own reusable water bottle and fill up at the fountains.

Okay....but riddle me this...When I go to Stamps games, I bring my own Nalgene filled with water. I have NEVER made it past security with it full, I've always had to dump it out, even AFTER I've proved it's just water. I have also had Nalgenes confiscated, as it qualifies as "outside food and drink", even when empty.

So, I won't be able to BUY bottled water, and I won't be able to bring my own water (and don't even get me STARTED on cleanliness of water fountains, where they can even be found!)....so I'm expected to drink what? Pop? Alcohol? Dehydrate into a raisin?

I agree that drinking solely bottled water, when we have some of the best tap water in N. America is silly. But, sometimes you're out, and things take longer than you anticipated, and you get thirsty!

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

3. You're free to disagree, but I'd say that the qualitative water analysis that is done constantly on the city's drinking water would agree with my position.

The tapwater in our office building tastes like stale buttsecks. We have one of those filter taps which is awesome but I have made the mistake of drinking the plain tapwater before.

[Bobblehead]

Dasani is just municipal water that Coke filters then re-sells. That's quite the racket.

If you think tap water has a taste, use a Brita or any other filter.

[CGYTransplant]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

The tapwater in our office building tastes like stale buttsecks. We have one of those filter taps which is awesome but I have made the mistake of drinking the plain tapwater before.

Agreed, Brita Filter= Awesome, especially in the springtime when runoff is bad.

That being said, I'd rather have my water smell and taste like chlorine, as opposed to having it smell fine and be milky, gross, and filled with bacteria, viruses and protozoa.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by CGYTransplant

Okay....but riddle me this...When I go to Stamps games, I bring my own Nalgene filled with water. I have NEVER made it past security with it full, I've always had to dump it out, even AFTER I've proved it's just water. I have also had Nalgenes confiscated, as it qualifies as "outside food and drink", even when empty.

So, I won't be able to BUY bottled water, and I won't be able to bring my own water (and don't even get me STARTED on cleanliness of water fountains, where they can even be found!)....so I'm expected to drink what? Pop? Alcohol? Dehydrate into a raisin?

I agree that drinking solely bottled water, when we have some of the best tap water in N. America is silly. But, sometimes you're out, and things take longer than you anticipated, and you get thirsty!

They aren't banning all bottled water. The city just isn't going to supply it or sell it anymore.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by CGYTransplant

Okay....but riddle me this...When I go to Stamps games, I bring my own Nalgene filled with water. I have NEVER made it past security with it full, I've always had to dump it out, even AFTER I've proved it's just water. I have also had Nalgenes confiscated, as it qualifies as "outside food and drink", even when empty.

McMahon is not a city owned facility.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by CGYTransplant

Okay....but riddle me this...When I go to Stamps games, I bring my own Nalgene filled with water. I have NEVER made it past security with it full, I've always had to dump it out, even AFTER I've proved it's just water. I have also had Nalgenes confiscated, as it qualifies as "outside food and drink", even when empty.

So, I won't be able to BUY bottled water, and I won't be able to bring my own water (and don't even get me STARTED on cleanliness of water fountains, where they can even be found!)....so I'm expected to drink what? Pop? Alcohol? Dehydrate into a raisin?

I agree that drinking solely bottled water, when we have some of the best tap water in N. America is silly. But, sometimes you're out, and things take longer than you anticipated, and you get thirsty!

McMahon Stadium isn't owned by the city, so your example makes no sense.
And it's not like the city is banning bottled water in the whole city, just in their buildings.
If you are out and about you can always run across the street and buy a bottle of water from 7-11 or a hot dog cart, or where ever you choose.

Seriously, 15 years ago there was no bottled water in any city buildings, and I'd be willing to bet no one was dropping dead of dehydration.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

3. You're free to disagree, but I'd say that the qualitative water analysis that is done constantly on the city's drinking water would agree with my position.

I tell you I have had conversations with people in this area about the quality of the water and they get this disgusting look on their face. Sometimes the water smells absolutely awful. No way I am going to drink it.

In this area a person about 5 blocks away said it reminded them of smegma. My neighbor is a columnist in the herald. Go read what she says.

http://communities.canada.com/calgar...y/default.aspx

My point. It seems that the water quality is different in the city because there is no way in hell anybody in this neighborhood can see the water is good.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

The tapwater in our office building tastes like stale buttsecks. We have one of those filter taps which is awesome but I have made the mistake of drinking the plain tapwater before.

Well that's a problem with your building then, not the city water supply.
Sure there are probably some buildings around town with crappy plumbing, but that's not the city's fault.
And unless you work in a city building, the fact that the tap water there tastes like crap is pretty irrelevant to the topic at hand.

In the case of the city, if the tap water at their facilites is no good, then that's a problem with that facility and it's the city's responsibility to get it fixed for those who don't want to be driking bottled water. The city is responsible for, and does deliver safe drinkable water. If you don't like the taste that's not the city's problem.
So if the city is already responsible for making sure that the tap water is drinkable, then why would the double down and provide the same product in an inefficent and wasteful manner.

[4X4]

I can appreciate the initiative environmentally, but I, personally, would be pretty choked if I couldn't buy a bottle of water when I'm thirsty. I guess these alderfolk have never been working on a construction site in the summer and wanted a cold drink of water. What's the solution? Bring an ice packed cooler with you everywhere you go?

I'd say the gov't would be better off mandating that certain things must be a certain percentage of recycled material (if they don't already). And make recycling easier. Just seems so backwards to ban something because of the packaging. Totally inconsistent as well. I rarely choose pop or juice when I hit the Sev for a drink. It's almost always water. I guess I'd have to buy a pop, dump it down the drain and then fill up the container with water.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I tell you I have had conversations with people in this area about the quality of the water and they get this disgusting look on their face. Sometimes the water smells absolutely awful. No way I am going to drink it.

In this area a person about 5 blocks away said it reminded them of smegma. My neighbor is a columnist in the herald. Go read what she says.

http://communities.canada.com/calgar...y/default.aspx

My point. It seems that the water quality is different in the city because there is no way in hell anybody in this neighborhood can see the water is good.

Okay, what area of the city is that?
I'll say I've never had a problem with the quality of the water anywhere in this city, nor has anyone I know ever complained that the water tastes or smells bad.

That being said, it is again irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
If there is an area of the city where the water quality isn't up to par (I'd imagine it has to do with the pipes) than it is the city's responsibilty to fix the problem, but that has no bearing on whether or not the city should provide bottled water in their buildings.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I can appreciate the initiative environmentally, but I, personally, would be pretty choked if I couldn't buy a bottle of water when I'm thirsty. I guess these alderfolk have never been working on a construction site in the summer and wanted a cold drink of water. What's the solution? Bring an ice packed cooler with you everywhere you go?

I'd say the gov't would be better off mandating that certain things must be a certain percentage of recycled material (if they don't already). And make recycling easier. Just seems so backwards to ban something because of the packaging. Totally inconsistent as well. I rarely choose pop or juice when I hit the Sev for a drink. It's almost always water. I guess I'd have to buy a pop, dump it down the drain and then fill up the container with water.

Okay I'm going to go out on a limb and say there are a few possible reasons for your use of this example.

1) you didn't read the article
2) you think 7-11 is owned by the city
3) you work on construction sites that are mysteriously surrounded by a 5 mile radius of only municipal buildings

No where does it say the guy wants to ban bottled water throughout the whole city. He just doesn't want it sold or distributed in city owned buildings. So you'll still be able to buy it on your way to work, you just won't be able to buy it when you are standing in line to take out a building permit.

[pepper24]

Evian spelled backwards = naive

Ceci spelled backwards = icec

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Okay, what area of the city is that?
I'll say I've never had a problem with the quality of the water anywhere in this city, nor has anyone I know ever complained that the water tastes or smells bad.

That being said, it is again irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
If there is an area of the city where the water quality isn't up to par (I'd imagine it has to do with the pipes) than it is the city's responsibilty to fix the problem, but that has no bearing on whether or not the city should provide bottled water in their buildings.

Since you didn't hear the tree fall then it must not have fallen. But look the tree is on the ground. That is not correct. The tree is standing.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Since you didn't hear the tree fall then it must not have fallen. But look the tree is on the ground. That is not correct. The tree is standing.

Since the point went right over your head, then there must not be a point.
But I made a point.
That is not correct, you have no point, but I have a witty quip aobut a tree.

I didn't say there wasn't a problem. I said that I've never had a problem, but that if there is a problem with the driking water somewhere in Calgary it is up to the city to fix the problem, and that that has nothing to do with providing/selling bottled water in their buildings.

If the water in City Hall is just peachy, why should the city sell bottled water?

If the water is crappy in Forest Lawn, why does that change the fact that the city doens't have to provide bottled water in their buildings.

The responsibilty of the city is to provide safe drinking water.
If it isnt' safe somewhere, then fix the problem. If it's a matter of taste, then that's not the city's problem as there will always be more people that complain than people who praise.

Either way, if the city is doing their job and providing safe water from the tap, then isn't providing water in bottles not redundant, and wasteful?