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Dion · 11-23-2008, 01:51 PM

ok, ok,....I get it · 11-23-2008, 02:34 PM

Couple of randon thoughts:

I thought Satan was an Angel expelled from Heaven for not returing his liberary books on time.

One fella on here said god is love.....then why did he create war, allow bad things to happen to good people.

Finally, Satan is really the hot bitchy chick to God's cute nice girl.

Cheese · 11-23-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

dont think God doesnt give us a choice, otherwise we wouldnt have free will. if God wanted us all to just praise him like clones, he wouldve just created robots with no free will.

<sigh> The Free will argument again...LOL
The problem is that if God knows everything that has happened and everything that will happen. Her knowledge cannot be wrong. There is nothing she hasnt been able to foresee. Given that she created the Universe the way she did, do we really have free will? Consider that when God made this Universe she could see every possible result of what she was doing. Which means: she could not create something without knowing what the results would be, and without knowing how it would affect the things around it.

Let's say that calgaryrocks has to make a choice that will save his life, to accept God or not to accept God and that final choice is to be made tomorrow. God knows already what choice he will make - God cannot be wrong therefore calgaryrocks cannot choose otherwise to what God predicted. When God created the chain of events that made calgaryrocks, it also knew that it was making calgaryrocks choice for him, and knew how the various circumstances and character would make him choose either right or wrong. calgaryrocks would go forth and make that very decision that God knew he would make, and by that virtue God knowingly set up all the factors that affected this decision, it was not up to calgaryrocks but to God to decide how calgaryrocks would fare.

It leaves us with three possible results, two of which have to be wrong.

God created everything with full knowledge and we have no free will to change it
God does not have full knowledge
God did not make the Universe or there is no god.

Satan in Cartoons

PYroMaNiaC · 11-23-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

<sigh> The Free will argument again...LOL
The problem is that if God knows everything that has happened ...

It leaves us with three possible results, two of which have to be wrong.

God created everything with full knowledge and we have no free will to change it
God does not have full knowledge
God did not make the Universe or there is no god.

Satan in Cartoons

Could there not be one more possible result?

God doesn't care which choice, nor does it matter because all the choices eventually lead to the same end...she's just interested in watching calgaryrocks make one. Like mice in a maze.

C_Rush · 11-23-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

Huh wha?

If the argument is so useless, why don't you provide an answer and dismiss this entire thread?

Because there is no answer. That's why the argument is useless. Those who believe do so because of faith. Those who don't believe do so because they reject the tenets and restrictions faith place on them or have not seen enough evidence to convince them otherwise. The purpose of this thread is obviously to draw believers into defending their faith in God against the athiests who will then dust off their arguments for why God doesn't/can't possibly exist when it's impossible to prove either way. Hence, it's a useless circular argument and I've already dismissed this thread as pointless. But alas, people will continue flogging this to death....

Dion · 11-23-2008, 04:11 PM

nm

C_Rush · 11-23-2008, 04:16 PM

^^^ I wish you hadn't changed your post, Dion. It was a very good way to make the point.

V · 11-23-2008, 04:51 PM

Nope. The story behind that one was that Satan didn't like how good Job was, and said it was because Job was living such a good life. So God said, do what you gotta do.

So Satan took everything he had, including his family.

I guess indirectly it's on God, but it was Satan directly.

sadora · 11-23-2008, 04:58 PM

Basically it goes like this. Satan is to God like the Oilers are to the Flames. They're each others Joker & Batman.

Dion · 11-23-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by C_Rush

^^^ I wish you hadn't changed your post, Dion. It was a very good way to make the point.

My post would have caused more of the same. Best to let sleeping dogs lie.

C_Rush · 11-23-2008, 05:59 PM

^^^ True enough.

Cheese · 11-23-2008, 06:29 PM

Satan in Cartoons

GreenLantern · 11-23-2008, 07:41 PM

The God I would believe in would be all powerful and not allow an enemy like Satan to survive, so no I would not believe in Satan if I believed in God.

The Goon · 11-23-2008, 07:49 PM

He's an average pick in my pool this year. I thought his point total would pick up on the Penguins.

Ford Prefect · 11-23-2008, 07:51 PM

There's a lot of conjecture that Satan, or Lucifer, is/was the angel of music before he fell into the bad books. Seems to me like he deserves some credit for that at least if true.

4X4 · 11-23-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by V

Nope. The story behind that one was that Satan didn't like how good Job was, and said it was because Job was living such a good life. So God said, do what you gotta do.

So Satan took everything he had, including his family.

I guess indirectly it's on God, but it was Satan directly.

Aye. So God goaded Satan into f'ing with Job's emotions just to prove that he's the man? Nice. That's sorta like daring someone to kill your children just to prove that your wife will still love you. I finally understand God's wisdom.

Muta · 11-23-2008, 08:16 PM

What I always wondered is why people think Satan would punish bad people? If people are bad, they go to hell. According to what we're supposed to believe in popular culture, Satan punishes and tortures their souls. Would this mean that Satan is God's cabana boy and obeying his wishes? Satan doesn't work for God.

The way I see it, Satan will love me if I lie, cheat and steal, and that's seems like the only logical conclusion. I will be showered with gifts upon my arrival in hell.

On the flip side, the same thing will happen in Heaven if I tell the truth, be honest and share. God will shower me with gifts in Heaven upon my arrival.

So what is it? Am I wrong for thinking this? Will I be going to hell for thinking this? If I am going to hell, I guess that really won't be a bad thing...

photon · 11-23-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by C_Rush

The purpose of this thread is obviously to draw believers into defending their faith in God against the athiests who will then dust off their arguments for why God doesn't/can't possibly exist when it's impossible to prove either way. Hence, it's a useless circular argument and I've already dismissed this thread as pointless. But alas, people will continue flogging this to death....

That's not always the motivation. Some people do still honestly want to believe but cannot.

Christians specifically are instructed to spread the good news, obviously it's to spread it to people who haven't heard it yet or aren't persuaded yet.

So some people bring up questions and such in the hopes of finding some now perspective or something to facilitate belief.

As to flogging it to death, it'll be a topic for all of time I'd expect.

arloiginla · 11-23-2008, 08:50 PM

Satan is God's archenemy. He represents everything that is contrary to the very nature of God. He is father of lies and has led this world away from the Truth. It makes sense that Christians who love the Lord, would hate Satan, no?

RougeUnderoos · 11-23-2008, 09:08 PM

Why doesn't god just get rid of the devil?