Cops use attractive naked women to lure sex predators out of hiding?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by sadora

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard of this year. Any red blooded male in the world would take their junk out if an attractive half naked woman asked to see it. What the hell were these dumb cops expecting?

I'm just glad this is what they are enforcing. /sarcasm

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I think you could argue that the cop, who was spying on the topless girl in the park, was more of a sexual predator that this man who's being charged.

No doubt. Filming an unsuspecting girl sunbathing naked, then taking photos of her with man and then posting them on the internet. Doesn't seem 100% legal to me either. Sounds like grounds for a suit to me!

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ha ha. The world has gone topsy-turvy.

When I first read the story I thought "ahh, who cares, they ain't doing no harm" but then I remembered a few years ago I was on a public beach and some jackass was taking a leak and all sorts of people (kids, grannies, most importantly me) caught a glimpse of his bathing-suit parts. I wanted to hit him in the head with a paddle for putting us all through this.

Keep the dink indrawers when out in public is all I'm saying.

One of the first things my wife and I saw after de-planing in San Diego, checking in at a beachside hotel and electing to go for a stroll along the boardwalk was a drunk whipping out his dong in broad daylight and taking a leak beside the heads of what appeared to be a large US Marine and his girlfriend, sunbathing.

"I otta KEEL U" was the shout from the soldier as the drunk shrivelled up.

Seriously, if the crime in question is public indecency and public indecency includes masturbating in a public park where nude sunbathing is legally permitted . . . . . then this guy is guilty of a crime.

I, for one, do NOT welcome our new one-eyed monk overlords if this activity is not a crime in a public place.

Cowperson

[ernie]

Call me crazy but I grew up knowing that whipping your penis out in a public place was possibly going to get me in trouble whether or not some hot woman asked me to do so.

Geez, part the whole attraction for having sex in the outdoors is because you might get caught! If it "wrong" or "illegal" some of the thrill wouldn't be there for those people that pursue such activities.

The guy whipped it out, violated the law, got caught and got punished for it. I for one am happy to see random guys who think it's proper and polite to take their dicks out in public get punished. NO ONE needs to see that and certainly not the kids that may be in the area at the time.

We can talk all day about whether or not setting up stings for this type of thing is a valuable use of resources and what not, but ultimately the guy has no one to blame but himself.

[4X4]

I can't believe it is legal to sunbathe topless anywhere in the USA. That's like finding out that your grandmother hits the bong once in awhile.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I can't believe it is legal to sunbathe topless anywhere in the USA. That's like finding out that your grandmother hits the bong once in awhile.

Dude, this thread was PG until you said that.

[4X4]

And she listens to Cypress Hill while doing it.

Whatsamatter Azure? Don't tell me your granny smokes the wacky tabbacky?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by ernie

Call me crazy but I grew up knowing that whipping your penis out in a public place was possibly going to get me in trouble whether or not some hot woman asked me to do so.

Geez, part the whole attraction for having sex in the outdoors is because you might get caught! If it "wrong" or "illegal" some of the thrill wouldn't be there for those people that pursue such activities.

The guy whipped it out, violated the law, got caught and got punished for it. I for one am happy to see random guys who think it's proper and polite to take their dicks out in public get punished. NO ONE needs to see that and certainly not the kids that may be in the area at the time.

We can talk all day about whether or not setting up stings for this type of thing is a valuable use of resources and what not, but ultimately the guy has no one to blame but himself.

I don't think the problem is that the guy got punished for what he did. It's completely understandable.

What I think is a joke is that the guy is getting vilified as a sexual predator for a consensual sexual act in public. Just fine the guy and move on to catching real perverts.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I think you could argue that the cop, who was spying on the topless girl in the park, was more of a sexual predator that this man who's being charged.

i'd like to see what this task force would do to any guy that was doing the same as these cops were. to serve and protect.

[Rhettzky]

The part that really got to me was the Operation "Lucky Bag" that they carried out on subways. They leave an X-Box 360 in a bag on the subway and charge you with theft if you grab it? That's past the point of entrapment in my books.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by JayP

I don't think the problem is that the guy got punished for what he did. It's completely understandable.

What I think is a joke is that the guy is getting vilified as a sexual predator for a consensual sexual act in public. Just fine the guy and move on to catching real perverts.

i don't see him being villified as a sexual pervert and or sexual predator ,at least not in the linked story. I see he was charged and convicted for public indencency...a misdemeanor that got him a nominal fine and some standard probation. He wasn't labelled a sex offender or even charged with a crime that implies there was no consent by the recipient of the action (the woman in this case).

All he got fined for was whipping his dong out in a public place in full view of everybody...the same fine the woman would have received if she was asked to reciprocate and did so (i.e. perhaps if the cops hadn't shown up). The same fine a couple having sex in a public place in view of others would receive.

There is no problem here from what I see other than an idiot who wants to show his dick to any woman that asks...idiot is the same thing his own lawyer called him. And for being an idiot he got an idiot's fine.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by ernie

i don't see him being villified as a sexual pervert and or sexual predator ,at least not in the linked story. I see he was charged and convicted for public indencency...a misdemeanor that got him a nominal fine and some standard probation. He wasn't labelled a sex offender or even charged with a crime that implies there was no consent by the recipient of the action (the woman in this case).

Well, first off all the fact that an entire article was devoted to the incident is ridiculous. If any person on this board had consensual sex with whoever in the middle of Bowness Park and got caught do you really think the Herald or the Sun would even care?

The title of the article: "Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting"

If that isn't vilifying him as a pervert I don't know what is.

I admit the article as bad as I first thought, but the title sets the tone for the rest of the article. If the title was "Man charged with public indecency" the average person's perception of the article will change greatly.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

The part that really got to me was the Operation "Lucky Bag" that they carried out on subways. They leave an X-Box 360 in a bag on the subway and charge you with theft if you grab it? That's past the point of entrapment in my books.

It's a joke.

They even mention that they do it with cell phones, wallets, and iPods. If I saw one of those at an LRT station with no one around it I'd pick it up and try and get ahold of the person or return it to Calgary Transit. Imagine get arrested for it.

The 360 case is a little different, but what the hell do you expect people to do? Let it sit there for eternity until buddy realizes he forgot it and comes back? That's all well and good in theory, but it just doesn't work in reality.

There's enough actual crimes out there to solve/stop - the police shouldn't be creating ones of their own to "prevent future crimes".

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by JayP

It's a joke.

They even mention that they do it with cell phones, wallets, and iPods. If I saw one of those at an LRT station with no one around it I'd pick it up and try and get ahold of the person or return it to Calgary Transit. Imagine get arrested for it.

Last season I found a cell phone outside the Saddledome. I picked it up, looked around to see if anybody appeared to be looking for it. Tried to power it on, but the battery was dead. Took it home, pluged it into a USB port for power, and called the owner. (There was an entry labelled "mom.")

All worked out good, but looking back I technically could have been arrested; when my motives all along were to try and find the owner.

[burn_baby_burn]

Was this really a case of a police sting operation? Or did a police officer getting his rocks off by video recording women sunbathing topless in a park. Hit the jackpot when some poor dude exposed himself to her upon request. Bingo! The cop makes an arrest and looks like a hero. Where do I sign up to be a cop? I mean you can be a peeping tom and receive a pay cheque for it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Last season I found a cell phone outside the Saddledome. I picked it up, looked around to see if anybody appeared to be looking for it. Tried to power it on, but the battery was dead. Took it home, pluged it into a USB port for power, and called the owner. (There was an entry labelled "mom.")

All worked out good, but looking back I technically could have been arrested; when my motives all along were to try and find the owner.

Ditto. I've done it with a wallet before. Found it, found ID in it, didnt see the dude around.

I took it home and mailed it back to the address on the driver's license.

I bet anyone who saw that probably assumed I was just going to keep it, and I'd have been pissed if I was arrested for it.

[burn_baby_burn]

The article does mention that there is a conflict with operation "drop bag" and local laws. Which state that the individual who finds something that doesn't belong to them. Has a certain amount of days to return the item to the owner.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by JayP

Well, first off all the fact that an entire article was devoted to the incident is ridiculous. If any person on this board had consensual sex with whoever in the middle of Bowness Park and got caught do you really think the Herald or the Sun would even care?

The title of the article: "Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting"

If that isn't vilifying him as a pervert I don't know what is.

I admit the article as bad as I first thought, but the title sets the tone for the rest of the article. If the title was "Man charged with public indecency" the average person's perception of the article will change greatly.

If public indecency was an on going problem in a park you bet there would stories in a paper. But more to the point if the idiot in question makes a stink about it then for sure a paper is going to cover the story which seems to be what happened here. He could have taken his slap on the wrist quietly but refuses to.

And really who expects a headline not to be sensational? Luckily most people actually read the article and realize he's not a sexual predator. ad to be honest yeah a guy who whips out his penis in public is a bit of a pervert. We are all to some degree perverts. Note that the headline did not say "sex offender" or any other such thing.

I agree it is likely a non-story but I don't think it was the media that first grabbed onto the story unless it was a really really slow news day. Instead I'd bet the media was reached out to by the defendant.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Well, the article says they were undercover cops, trying to stop sex acts from happening in the parks. As I said earlier, not every cop is assigned to a homicide investigation, or the DARE program in schools. It isn't up to you or I what individual police officers are paid to do. The entire argument that police officers should be out enforcing "real crimes" or something along those lines is overused and ridiculous. I am sure people try pulling that line when they get pulled over for speeding. Sure there are probably other more important crimes being committed that very minute, but the cop saw YOU, not him.

I do understand and appreciate your opinion/comments. However, I don't think you understand where I am coming from.

It bothers me that these programs (the park, xbox in a bag on the subway, etc) are even thought of, let alone off the ground and executed. Whoever is making the call that this is an effective use of Police resources is a f-ing idiot. I do not want my tax dollars spent training and employing Police if they're going to invade people's privacy in the name of law enforcement and whatever the convinient context of the day is.

Complete bull.