PROOF that Evolution is a Myth

[pepper24]

Wow, the religious right are digging deep to keep their religions alive.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

Evolution is the answer to 'how' not 'why'.

Okay fair enough, but which side doesn't "get" that?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay fair enough, but which side doesn't "get" that?

The whacky creationists on one side and the neo-atheists on the other.

[PsYcNeT]

And what about those of us in the middle ground...you know, sane people?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by peter12

The whacky creationists on one side and the neo-atheists on the other.

What is a neo-atheist?

[Cowperson]

Creationism growing in France, causing the government to react to attacks on science:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17799902/

Cowperson

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

And what about those of us in the middle ground...you know, sane people?

Well I admit that I had to look up the term "neo-atheism", I don't know that I'd call them (or me) insane.

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Neo Atheism Summarization:
- All superstition is false.
- Every individual has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
- Our focus is self-reliance, personal responsibility and principles that further the advancement of society.

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Seems reasonable enough, don't you think? Of course I don't know what (if any) activities these people get up to. If they are out protesting Sunday mass or firebombing synagogues, then they are insane. But believing in evolution and not believing in god does not mean you are crazy. The "people in the middle" don't have a monopoly on sanity because they believe in both.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Creationism growing in France, causing the government to react to attacks on science:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17799902/

Cowperson

What's everyones thought on the creationist movement in Canada? Is it possible that someday they could start seriously pressuring the school boards here to start teaching creationism?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Burninator

What's everyones thought on the creationist movement in Canada? Is it possible that someday they could start seriously pressuring the school boards here to start teaching creationism?

I doubt it. Unless there is some credible scientific evidence towards it, Canada's public school system wouldn't allow it.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Burninator

What's everyones thought on the creationist movement in Canada? Is it possible that someday they could start seriously pressuring the school boards here to start teaching creationism?

I would hope not and I don't think they will. Even if the movement picks up a bit of steam I don't think it will be with the people aged 40 and under...the ones who are going to have kids in school for a good part of the next couple of decades. Each generation gets better educated, and the majority of educated folks fall in the evolution camp. So I think these movements will have less and less influence if anything. This Big valley thing seems like a last ditch desperate attempt to me.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Well I admit that I had to look up the term "neo-atheism", I don't know that I'd call them (or me) insane.

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Neo Atheism Summarization:
- All superstition is false.
- Every individual has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
- Our focus is self-reliance, personal responsibility and principles that further the advancement of society.

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Sounds like humanism.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Burninator

What's everyones thought on the creationist movement in Canada? Is it possible that someday they could start seriously pressuring the school boards here to start teaching creationism?

Canada is too liberal. It's hard to imagine something like that happening here, with the exception of isolated communities.

I don't understand why some very religious people feel threatened by evolution. Couldn't they just claim that evolution is a set of principles designed by a higher power to aid in creation?

I doubt that it will ever be possible with our human minds to break every aspect of science down to it's finite principle. As much as we know about chemistry, biology, and physics, there are always more questions than answers. For that reason, I don't see science ever cancelling out religion either. This why I don't understand why both sides try so hard to be the only ones left in the debate.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

If they had any sort of scientific background, they'd know that you can't disprove the existance of something because you haven't observed it.

agreed.

however, a lot of athiests should take note of that one too.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

agreed.

however, a lot of athiests should take note of that one too.

That sort of goes in the opposite direction of how athiests think.

[Cheese]

Religions are their own worst enemies.
Every theist is an "atheist" to every other religion but their own particular flavor. (eg. Christians dont believe in Islam, Islam does not believe in Judaism, pick any two flavors, etc etc).
With the advent of the internet and more and more information, not to mention education, western society is becoming secular....with one noteable exception, the USA.
Articles such as these create concern by most people and cause many who were in the holds of a particular choice to second guess themselves:

Brazilian Preachers

Proctor and Gamble = Satan

Money grubbing Pastor

Michigan church buys Pastor 40 million $ Mansion

Thats why you see us "neo-Atheists" speaking up more these days as well....and heres a good article explaining why.

Wed be better off without religion

As to Canada...we still have the Catholic schoolboard. You better believe they teach their particular brand to all who attend. Why do we allow one brand of theism to teach their choice? Why doesnt the government change it to a religious system that teaches and includes ALL faiths? What do you suppose would happen with that system? Do you think Islamics, Catholics, Buddhists, et al would live happily ever after, together in one institution?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cheese

As to Canada...we still have the Catholic schoolboard. You better believe they teach their particular brand to all who attend. Why do we allow one brand of theism to teach their choice? Why doesnt the government change it to a religious system that teaches and includes ALL faiths? What do you suppose would happen with that system? Do you think Islamics, Catholics, Buddhists, et al would live happily ever after, together in one institution?

The Catholic School board has existed for a long time, and they have never tried to push creationism as the only possibility. I went to a Catholic school until grade 10, and we had all the same science courses that the public schools had (the exact same text books actually). In fact, I would say that when it came to chemistry, geology, biology, and physics, I was actually at a higher level than the students who were brought up through the public school system. I also can't remember ever learning about creationism theory in Catholic school. There was a "Religion" class which was more about translating ans pondering what the Bible is implying in certain "stories", but that was about as far as it went.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Catholic School board has existed for a long time, and they have never tried to push creationism as the only possibility. I went to a Catholic school until grade 10, and we had all the same science courses that the public schools had. In fact, I would say that when it came to chemistry and physics, I was actually at a higher level that the students who were brought up through the public school system. I also can't remember ever learning about creationism theory in Catholic school. There was a "Religion" class which was more about translating what the Bible is implying in certain "stories", but that was about as far as it went.

But they still push God/Jesus/Mother Mary/Holy Ghost/sacrements/etc etc etc on all of the children.
Get on your knees!

[HelloHockeyFans]

The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cheese

But they still push God/Jesus/Mother Mary/Holy Ghost/sacrements/etc etc etc on all of the children.
Get on your knees!

I wouldn't call it pushing since most of the people who go to those schools already believe that stuff anyway. It's not like they force non-Catholics to go.

(I only went to make my grandmother happy. When she died, we bailed )

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Cheese

But they still push God/Jesus/Mother Mary/Holy Ghost/sacrements/etc etc etc on all of the children.
Get on your knees!

Not at all. You CHOOSE to be there... first your parents choose, and ultimately at the Junior High or High School level, the students choose.Therefore you are accepting that doctrine. If you don't like it, you are free to go elsewhere. I hardly call morning prayer and the occasional assembly for important religious holidays demanding people "on their knees." It promoted discipline, and frankly, none of my Catholic school friends are very religious at all... due LARGELY from attending catholic school. Our parents put us there because it was a better quality of education.

I proudly went to Catholic School from K-12... I don't bible thump, in fact, I learned some of the greatest criticisms of Christianity from High School Religion. Catholic Schools in Alberta have a much higher level of achievement than public, and thats proven at every provincial exam level. Only expensive private schools do better.

As for Catholic Schools teaching creationism. It'll never happen. Firstly, the department of education wouldn't allow it, and secondly, Catholics are much more liberal in their interpretation of the Bible than these nuts.