Ann Coulter Calls John Edwards a ""...

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I didn't watch the clip, so I have no idea who was there. Just pointing out that all conservative leaning Americans don't hate homosexuals....and in fact, I'm sure some of them ARE homosexual.

Jesus Dis, she was speaking at the American Conservative Union and got cheers for her comment. That is THE base for the Conservative movement in America, and pretty representative of the Conservative voice I would say. Can't hide from this one Dis, this was bush league and pretty inflamatory.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

She has the delivery and timing down pretty good. She could be a stand-up comedian.

I read an autobiography by some formerly hard-ass Republican attack dog who eventually came out of the closet and left "the scene". He and Anne were great friends, as I remember it, and she knew his real deal, even though he was hiding it.

I really think it's an act. Sometimes she almost starts to laugh at herself and the things she says. That thing about Canada in the Viet Nam war, I mean really, can anyone be taken seriously after that?

And I know it's not nice to just hack on someone's physical shortcomings, but I've read in a couple places that people have labelled her "attractive" and her own website sort of plays up this role with some truly comic "glamour shots". In today's video I thought she looked like Sebastien Bach after an extremely long night.

That's kind of the way I view her too 'Roos. You shouldn't crack on Bas like that...he's contributed to society some.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Jesus Dis, she was speaking at the American Conservative Union and got cheers for her comment. That is THE base for the Conservative movement in America, and pretty representative of the Conservative voice I would say. Can't hide from this one Dis, this was bush league and pretty inflamatory.

I'm not sure most Republican voters are part of the conservative movement.

But hey, if you want to join in with Claeren for some reason.....

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I thought she looked like Sebastien Bach after an extremely long night.

Washington, DC - Ann Coulter, pictured above, called Sen. John Edwards a 'fagg0t' on Friday...

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

To be fair, that's always been the case...

That is incorrect. Reagan appointee Mark Fowler killed the Fairness Doctrine, which required news bureaus to provide accurate information and equal time to the opposite political view point. Nixon's administration originally targetted the media, and the neo-conservative strategists figured that if the Fairness Doctrine disappeared that they would be more effective in spreading their message through a highly managed, and extremely well financed, organization of media voices. With the end of the fairness doctrine, the advent of cable news and the internet, the strategists found the medium for their message. This has been a very slow and deliberate execution of a tactical plan, covering some 30 years, key in promoting their political ideology.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

That is incorrect. Reagan appointee Mark Fowler killed the Fairness Doctrine, which required news bureaus to provide accurate information and equal time to the opposite political view point. Nixon's administration originally targetted the media, and the neo-conservative strategists figured that if the Fairness Doctrine disappeared that they would be more effective in spreading their message through a highly managed, and extremely well financed, organization of media voices. With the end of the fairness doctrine, the advent of cable news and the internet, the strategists found the medium for their message. This has been a very slow and deliberate execution of a tactical plan, covering some 30 years, key in promoting their political ideology.

Hence the conservative loudspeakers known as CBS, NBC and CNN.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'm not sure most Republican voters are part of the conservative movement.

But hey, if you want to join in with Claeren for some reason.....

Not joining anyone Dis, but if you're going to try and convince me that anyone from the "American Conservative Union" voted for anyone but a Republican, you are kind of forcing anyone who follows politics to Claeren's side of the argument.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Hence the conservative loudspeakers known as CBS, NBC and CNN.

Maybe not but it has sure allowed Fox to run amok.

Thanks Lanny, it was the Fairness doctrine I was looking up when you answered it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Not joining anyone Dis, but if you're going to try and convince me that anyone from the "American Conservative Union" voted for anyone but a Republican, you are kind of forcing anyone who follows politics to Claeren's side of the argument.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of that. I'm not a moron.

Don't forget, Claeren's side of the argument involved me actually supporting her statement because I didn't argue hard enough against it to his liking....also making me a hater of homosexuals.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Maybe not but it has sure allowed Fox to run amok.

Thanks Lanny, it was the Fairness doctrine I was looking up when you answered it.

I know.

I was just giving Lanny a hard time.

Those networks have really moved to the left in recent years.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Hence the conservative loudspeakers known as CBS, NBC and CNN.

Hey, if you really want to get into this Dis, I'll happily play. We can easily outline the political leanings of the pundits from each network, compare that to the neo-conservative funded organizations like Fox, the Washington Times, and Weekly Standard, and see who provides the most air time to whom, and which side of the political spectrum is better represented. I'd advise against it though, you won't like the way the numbers come out.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Hey, if you really want to get into this Dis, I'll happily play. We can easily outline the political leanings of the pundits from each network, compare that to the neo-conservative funded organizations like Fox, the Washington Times, and Weekly Standard, and see who provides the most air time to whom, and which side of the political spectrum is better represented. I'd advise against it though, you won't like the way the numbers come out.

Nope, don't want to get into it at all. Just having fun with you.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

That is incorrect. Reagan appointee Mark Fowler killed the Fairness Doctrine, which required news bureaus to provide accurate information and equal time to the opposite political view point. Nixon's administration originally targetted the media, and the neo-conservative strategists figured that if the Fairness Doctrine disappeared that they would be more effective in spreading their message through a highly managed, and extremely well financed, organization of media voices. With the end of the fairness doctrine, the advent of cable news and the internet, the strategists found the medium for their message. This has been a very slow and deliberate execution of a tactical plan, covering some 30 years, key in promoting their political ideology.

I meant that over the course of US history, a single person generally has a lower level of believability than a news organization. News organizations create fact by printing it, there is very little onus on government on media to be responsible for their actions.

The most you can hope to get is a page 73 corner retraction, it's been that way since before cable news.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Those networks have really moved to the left in recent years.

That is also grossly incorrect. The center line has been dragged way over to the right with the arrival of Fox and the neo-conservative echo chamber. The networks you refer to have not moved at all. They are slow moving, slow reacting dinosaurs that have set ways of doing things. In fact, they have done their best to appeal to bottom line that their corporate task masters have forced upon them (prior to the loss of the Fairness Doctrine the news desks ran at a loss for each network, and that was expected, but now they have to run at a profit and appeal to advertisers) and that has made them chase Fox and try to provide more "infotainment". Media has shifted to the right, not to the left. In fact, even the primary bastion of liberal thought, NPR, has been forced to move to the right and appeal to more and more conservative views and sponsors. The "left" in America has taken it on the chin, thanks to corporate ownership of the media. The myth that the media is "liberal" is just that. A myth that was created by the Nixon administration to sway public support for Vietnam and fight his potential impeachment, and repeated so often by conservatives that it has become fact.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Nope, don't want to get into it at all. Just having fun with you.

Fair enough Dis. This is a subject near and dear to my heart as its part of my dissertation for my doctorate.

[Vulcan]

[quote=Flash Walken;788841]I meant that over the course of US history, a single person generally has a lower level of believability than a news organization. News organizations create fact by printing it, there is very little onus on government on media to be responsible for their actions."

There use to be an onus on radio and TV before Reagon cancelled the Fairness Doctrine. Now they are self regulated.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?...octrine&gwp=16

[Azure]

Holy, Lanny involved in a thread about politics again.

Its about damn time.

Back on subject...Coulter is not someone I would give airtime too, much less start a thread about. I've read her books, found them interesting(like I do all books) but not really informative.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

As one of the resident gay-positive-secular-liberal-pro-choice-anti-death-penalty lefties around here, I'd like to come to Dis' defence a little. (just getting all of that out of the way! ) As I understand it, his point is that Coulter doesn't represent the right wing--just her own psychotic worldview that unfortunately garners more attention in political culture than it should.

It's dumb for Cheney to be in attendance--and it's dumb for Mitt Romney to allow himself to be associated with her. But not because she's a conservative--because she's an idiot.

Plenty of perfectly intelligent and well meaning people are conservatives. Ann Coulter just happens not to be one of them.

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Wow. That's rich. You just said I hate homosexuals. My sister will be horrified.

Tell you what bub, you don't know me so keep your assumptions about me to yourself.

It's ok for you to put a blanket statement on conservatives but I am guilty of something for not screaming at the top of my lungs in opposition?

Give your head a shake.

I NEVER said you hate homosexuals.

I SAID that because you don't condemn those that do hate homosexuals you may as well hate homosexuals yourself because your silence is FAR more dangerous than the words of a single crazy lady. It is your very silence that gives crazy people the courage to say what they say.

Perhaps best said by the great minds of our world - after having seen what silence of good men does in this world:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

"Science may have found a cure for most evils; but it has found no remedy for the worst of them all -- the apathy of human beings."

"It is always good men who do the most harm in the world."



I do not doubt your own good intentions but your desire to simply pass this off as 'not newsworthy' when the vice president of the united states, along with other significant republicans, are in attendance and presumably cheering her on (the very same people you presumbably vote for) is questionable at best. Hitler was once just a crazy guy talking in dark basements - but one day his hatred consumed the world. Coulter is far from being Hitler, but the next Hitler may well be listening and our silence and the silence of everyone who supports this faction of the right-wing is what that person now hears.

You have still failed to justify how she is 'not newsworthy' despite:

she's precedeing the vice president of the united states, former speaker of the house and a sitting member of the senate and congress, I happen to think it's newsworthy, and calls the aforementioned vice president's last competition, as he gears up for a probable presidential run, a fagg0t, well, you see how it looks...

What is most interesting to me is that Cheney himself has a homosexual daugher... talk about integrity...





Claeren.


PS - I am not left-wing either. I am socially left-wing yes but fiscally i am right-wing. I am certainly no hippie...

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

How do members of the media get away this! Wouldn't this be libel? I'd sue her a.s off.

No. Sticks and stones. Now if she said she had proof that he was gay.....