China - Superpower

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

I am pretty sure Japan is not big on nuclear weapons, too. Especially being the only nation to be bombed with atomic weaponary.

Japan is also one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world. I have no doubt that they could suddenly come up with nukes, if push comes to shove.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Yup. In fact, the majority of people in Taiwan want unification.

Not according to this, scroll down to SUPPORT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_reunification

"polls consistantly suggest that 70% to 80% of all Taiwanese support maintaining the status quo".

It doesn't take an Einstein to infer that the support for declaring an independent country is influenced by the military threat from the Peoples Republic.

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by Azure

Japan is also one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world. I have no doubt that they could suddenly come up with nukes, if push comes to shove.

almost any country can come up with Nukes, just takes money. I am saying I don't think Japan would. Proably only way they would is if the USA put pressure on them.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

almost any country can come up with Nukes, just takes money. I am saying I don't think Japan would. Proably only way they would is if the USA put pressure on them.

And the US wouldn't because it really isnt in the best interests of other nations to possess such weapons. Its better for the US if less countries have them, regardless if they are their ally or not.

[FireFly]

Actually, the US is pressuring Japan to get more involved in the East, including requesting that they arm themselves with nukes. You have to consider that the US cannot support any prolonged war in the East. You have China, India, and potentially North Korea all having nuclear capabilities in the area, and the US no longer has the military strength to hold off all three. Absolutely they want Japan to have nukes, they just aren't likely to support that idea in public. In this particular case, it's best if Japan does have nukes because they are the only ally of the US in the region.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FireFly

You have China, India, and potentially North Korea all having nuclear capabilities in the area, and the US no longer has the military strength to hold off all three.

Don't forget Pakistan... they have nukes too.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Actually, the US is pressuring Japan to get more involved in the East, including requesting that they arm themselves with nukes. You have to consider that the US cannot support any prolonged war in the East. You have China, India, and potentially North Korea all having nuclear capabilities in the area, and the US no longer has the military strength to hold off all three. Absolutely they want Japan to have nukes, they just aren't likely to support that idea in public. In this particular case, it's best if Japan does have nukes because they are the only ally of the US in the region.

You have any proof to back that up or are you just privilaged with that information because you present during the joint chiefs meeting?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You have any proof to back that up or are you just privilaged with that information because you present during the joint chiefs meeting?

Look it up on google. I'm pretty sure I've read recent articles of the US wanting Japan to expand their military, and eventually aquire nukes.

I think the more countries that have nukes, the less the chance someone will use them.

[FireFly]

Well, I did write a paper on it 6 months ago. Japan has been rearming since the end of WWII. They have been discussing nuclear weapons since 2004. It's on the agenda. I'd look for the articles, but when I finished school, I deleted all the links. Sorry.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Look it up on google. I'm pretty sure I've read recent articles of the US wanting Japan to expand their military, and eventually aquire nukes.

I think the more countries that have nukes, the less the chance someone will use them.

You want me to research a claim that you made? OK

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well, I did write a paper on it 6 months ago. Japan has been rearming since the end of WWII. They have been discussing nuclear weapons since 2004. It's on the agenda. I'd look for the articles, but when I finished school, I deleted all the links. Sorry.

How convenient.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Look it up on google. I'm pretty sure I've read recent articles of the US wanting Japan to expand their military, and eventually aquire nukes.

I think the more countries that have nukes, the less the chance someone will use them.

Oh that makes lots of sense. The more countries that have nukes the less likely they will use them. WOW. Ok why dont we let everyone in Canada have a handgun because with your logic the more people that have hand guns the less chance they will be used. Nice

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Oh that makes lots of sense. The more countries that have nukes the less likely they will use them. WOW. Ok why dont we let everyone in Canada have a handgun because with your logic the more people that have hand guns the less chance they will be used. Nice

Are handguns a good comparison?

You ever heard of MAD? I'm not advocating that everyone in the world should have nukes, but I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem if Japan got them.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Azure

Are handguns a good comparison?

You ever heard of MAD? I'm not advocating that everyone in the world should have nukes, but I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem if Japan got them.

I agree 100%. Japan with nukes would not increase the chances of a nuclear exchange by any means.
In any SE asia scenairio, India would also be an ally of the west. India and China don't get along very well. That's why the US is supporting India's re-armament and growth. The world seems focused on China, while India will soon surpass it in terms of military strength/technology and total population.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

How convenient.

Actually, it wasn't convenient, it was a lot of research and a lot of hard work. Feel free to continue believing what you wish though, I'm sure thinking the US doesn't want anyone else armed will help you sleep at night, but it won't make it any less real.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I agree 100%. Japan with nukes would not increase the chances of a nuclear exchange by any means.
In any SE asia scenairio, India would also be an ally of the west. India and China don't get along very well. That's why the US is supporting India's re-armament and growth. The world seems focused on China, while India will soon surpass it in terms of military strength/technology and total population.

Ok lets arm Japan with nukes and start a show down with Japan and China. Makes lots of sense. If they have them, they are MORE likely to use them if they don't, duh. Doing this does nothing but put these to countries into the same sitiuation USA and Cuba where in. By keeping the nukes out of there and limited to very few nations you dont have to worry about itchy fingers. If China new Japan was in possession of nukes and some paranoid commie defence minister thought they were going to attack, China would use their nukes as a pre-emtive stike.

I agree with you that Japan can be trusted with nukes but all that would do is raise the tentions in the region. Not to mention the crazy neighbor N. Korea.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok lets arm Japan with nukes and start a show down with Japan and China. Makes lots of sense. If they have them, they are MORE likely to use them if they don't, duh. Doing this does nothing but put these to countries into the same sitiuation USA and Cuba where in. By keeping the nukes out of there and limited to very few nations you dont have to worry about itchy fingers. If China new Japan was in possession of nukes and some paranoid commie defence minister thought they were going to attack, China would use their nukes as a pre-emtive stike.

I agree with you that Japan can be trusted with nukes but all that would do is raise the tentions in the region. Not to mention the crazy neighbor N. Korea.

You don't think Japan having a nuclear capabilty would make China think twice? You are missing a piece of the equation here, China already has them. If japan has them as well, it makes it even less likely that China will use theirs.

Duh!

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by White Doors

You don't think Japan having a nuclear capabilty would make China think twice? You are missing a piece of the equation here, China already has them. If japan has them as well, it makes it even less likely that China will use theirs.

Duh!

I still doubt Japan will ever get nuclear weapons. Lets just blow up all the world with nukes. Alls it takes is one country to start a chain reaction, thats why I doubt any country is going to launch nukes at anyone.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by White Doors

You don't think Japan having a nuclear capabilty would make China think twice? You are missing a piece of the equation here, China already has them. If japan has them as well, it makes it even less likely that China will use theirs.

Duh!

You missing the equation. China is MORE liekly to use them if they feel they are threatend to the point that they could be wiped out. That is not possible at the moment.

You need to think things over a bit before you start ramblin on about stuff you no nothing about.

[Agamemnon]

You need to think things over a bit before you start ramblin on about stuff you no nothing about.

Is there a mirror around your place?

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You missing the equation. China is MORE liekly to use them if they feel they are threatend to the point that they could be wiped out. That is not possible at the moment.

No, China is MORE likely to use them if none/few of their neighbours have them. They are LESS likely to use them if the country their about to be aggressive upon has their own nuclear weapons.

I'm not advocating that every country obtain nuclear weapons; obviously it would be best if no country had them. But, realisitically, if China faces an opposing regional power with nuclear weapons, it is bound to step far more carefully than if it has nuclear supremacy over all regions south/east of them.

I don't get why you think that IF China's competitors in the region had nukes THEN China would certainly use them? This makes no sense...