Flames and Canucks in on Rossi?

[Royle9]

With Boeser out I definitely see Vancouver as the heavy favorite, I don’t think CGY want to move assets for his rights. I’m hearing 7X7 as the starting point

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Is Pete staying after you get Rossi?

Yep sounds like it.
Petey / Rossi as their 1-2
Foote and Petey are quite close and so I think both sides feel they can help each other long term.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It does sound like the Canucks are going to pull the trigger on Rossi possibly as early as the day after the Cup is handed out.

What are you hearing for the return?

Aside from pick 15, anything else being speculated?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would love to be able to attach that Sharangovich contract to the deal or maybe Farabee. I’m have more hope in Farabee being able to bounce back but I don’t love those 2 wingers making over $5M each.

Sharganovich produces every 2nd season and coming off his regularly scheduled down season is not the time to be shopping him. If he bounces back to 25 goals next season as he's shown to do every odd season, then the Flames should be shopping him.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Buff

I hear ya.

Put him on a line with Klapka? Problem solved! Klapka on one side for size and Sharangovich on the other side to do the scoring... That leaves the question of what to do with Frost. I'd love to see what Rossi could do in Calgary but I think we need someone a little better than Rossi to disrupt the center position.

That's a legit way to build out rosters i think going forward. Not enough 6 foot 3 inch centers that are 2-way and score a point a game. But what about reconstructing the effect with large/fast wingers to take some of the load off the non-ideal centers. Wingers shift to middle of ice on back check and d-zone. Soviets used to do this. It's non-traditional and not ideal, but not sure how a mid team like Flames get the center they think they need. Even a chandler stevenson type up the middle to protect and then let wingers take some risk.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Is Pete staying after you get Rossi?

Not sure how they can move him. You lose every trade you make for him and quite frankly he is more likely to bounce back now that his knee is apparently better (Which you started to see at the end of the year) than he is to remain awful.

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

What are you hearing for the return?

Aside from pick 15, anything else being speculated?

Young d-man. So assume a D-Petey, Sawyer Mynio or maybe even Kudryatsev. Rossi is apparently getting fire-saled. Minnesota just doesn't want him.

[Sylvanfan]

I don't know if it's the height as much as weight and strength. He's listed at 5'9 and 180. But as a center if you're not really strong, you will wear down if you're constantly battling 200 pound plus opponents through the playoffs. No avoiding the tough areas of the ice playing in the middle.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Not sure how they can move him. You lose every trade you make for him and quite frankly he is more likely to bounce back now that his knee is apparently better (Which you started to see at the end of the year) than he is to remain awful.

Moving Pettersson would be similar to when the Sabres moved Eichel.

I wish they would move him and that Calgary would buy low.

He's the type of center that's hard to get outside of the top 5 of the draft.

[Blaster86]

Flames management isn't ballsy enough to make that move, but it would pay massive dividends if they did.

[dammage79]

Call me crazy but I'd take Petterson on a buy low. He doesn't need to be a leader here. Just play.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I agree that a couple of inches of height probably doesn't make a difference as much as strength and weight and there are plenty of C's in the 180 lbs range, like Jack Hughes, Robert Thomas, Sebastian Aho, Brayden Point, Tim Stutzle, Barzal, Bedard, Perfetti, Nuge, Pettersson, etc etc. It's possible to be effective at that weight and win your minutes against the other team's top 6.

The question is acquisition cost vs risk. You're presumably trading for a guy to sign him long term at 7M+ per season AAV, who has potential to be a 2nd line C or a 4th line C and the chances of the latter are probably more than 20%. What are you giving up, besides a mid 1st, to take that risk? Maybe a D prospect?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Flames management isn't ballsy enough to make that move, but it would pay massive dividends if they did.

At the very least they'll drive up the price for Vancouver. Would also be hilarious if Brzustewicz was the main piece going to Minnesota in a Flames deal.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by blankall

At the very least they'll drive up the price for Vancouver. Would also be hilarious if Brzustewicz was the main piece going to Minnesota in a Flames deal.

If I remembered correctly, wasn't Brzustewicz one of the pieces coming back for Lindholm?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If I remembered correctly, wasn't Brzustewicz one of the pieces coming back for Lindholm?

...Rainier Wolfcastle is rolling over in his grave.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I agree that a couple of inches of height probably doesn't make a difference as much as strength and weight and there are plenty of C's in the 180 lbs range, like Jack Hughes, Robert Thomas, Sebastian Aho, Brayden Point, Tim Stutzle, Barzal, Bedard, Perfetti, Nuge, Pettersson, etc etc. It's possible to be effective at that weight and win your minutes against the other team's top 6.

The question is acquisition cost vs risk. You're presumably trading for a guy to sign him long term at 7M+ per season AAV, who has potential to be a 2nd line C or a 4th line C and the chances of the latter are probably more than 20%. What are you giving up, besides a mid 1st, to take that risk? Maybe a D prospect?

Stutzle is 6'0" and 192 on hockey db. Aho is 6'0" as well. Barzal is 6'1" and 190 (plus he's not elite). Perfetti and RNH are also secondary talents (and RNH plays wing now). Bedard - I think the jury's out on his ceiling.

Point is clearly elite (though not the centrepiece).

EDIT:

You could add Bergeron, Datsyuk, Stankoven to your list. It is a fact, however, that most of the greatest centres are big and fast, so while they can dangle, they can also bulldoze. That's the prototype.

[YyjFlames]

I'd hate to see Rossi go to the Canucks if he's being sold at a discount (mid to late first and a B+ prospect).

Guy is worth the risk and would come with a serious chip on his shoulder.

This highlight package from his last year shows his tenaciousness to get the puck, his ability to "hide" and find open ice behind the defenders, and his constant presence in front of the net. The clips around the 2:20 mark show a few plays where he's stationed in front of the net. Jones can't move him on that tip play around the 2:30 mark.

https://youtu.be/GkBHl-_gI3k

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

I'd hate to see Rossi go to the Canucks if he's being sold at a discount (mid to late first and a B+ prospect).

Guy is worth the risk and would come with a serious chip on his shoulder.

This highlight package from his last year shows his tenaciousness to get the puck, his ability to "hide" and find open ice behind the defenders, and his constant presence in front of the net. The clips around the 2:20 mark show a few plays where he's stationed in front of the net. Jones can't move him on that tip play around the 2:30 mark.

https://youtu.be/GkBHl-_gI3k

Highlight packages don’t often tell the whole story. I am no scout but I have Rossi in my fantasy league so I watched him a lot. He has a lot of talent but also disappears completely for stretches. He is not very fast which is an issue for a smaller player and not great in board battles. I think if you are smaller top 6 player you either have to be fast or great on the boards. He is not very noticeable when he is not scoring.

Not sure I would be rushing to give away assets for him.

[Royle9]

I’m 100% in on the Rossi bid if the cost is that low.
Porier + forward prospect and a 3rd or something.

He’s small but he’s not Johnny small, he’s thick and built more like Martin Saint L and is very hard on pucks. I personally think he would flourish here.

[Vinny01]

I remember when the Canucks were the team heavily rumored to be acquiring Hanifin at the 2018 draft and the Flames swooped in and got in in the Dougie deal. Don’t know if that will happen again.


Flames have Kadri for 4 more years at $7M hopefully not long for their top line. Do they see Rossi as the long term number 1 guy? Probably not so why have a 2 and 3 C make $7M?

Canucks have Pettersson locked up at $11.6M. They do not have a 2nd line C so adding Rossi and giving him $7M makes a ton of sense to me.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Vancouver is being played. Make 'em think a divisional rival is in the bidding to drive up the return.