[News] Canadiens D Hutson wins Calder Trophy, Wolf #2

[GioforPM]

Proper finish. Celebrini had a pretty normal year one for a first overall. Sometimes that's enough but not this year.

Wolf had a fantastic first season as a goalie. There have been other examples but to a whole lot.

Hutson did something that only a handful of rookie D have done.

[Owen15]

A goalie hasn’t won the Calder in over 20 years.

I think second is amazing for Wolf. And he deserved it. Hutson had a statistically significant year. Historic.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lame and predictable.

Wolf was more integral to his teams success, at a more important position.

But I am mildly surprised he was #2. Was expecting third.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure I agree on the word "padded" ...

I have the splits like this

Opponent
.500 or worse Wolf 73% Vladar 70%
.600 or better Wolf 27% Vladar 30%

or pretty even

Results vs Opposition (% of wins)
.500 or worse Wolf 75% Vladar 83%
.600 or better Wolf 25% Vladar 17%

Vladar with a greater % of wins against non playoff teams

I think they started that way for sure, but it leveled off.

In the end Wolf had 14 starts against elite teams to Vladar's 9

Focus on the bottom teams in each conference


Wolf had great stats but padded them against the worst teams. He had all 7 starts against Chi and SJ alone and went 7-0.

Calgary went 9-1 vs the West bottom 3 (Wolf 8-1, Vladar 1-0)
Against the east bottom 3, they were 3-0-3 (Wolf 3-0-2, Vladar 0-0-1)

They were pretty dominant against bottom feeders on both sides

Wolf went 28-16-8 which is awesome. 12 games over .500
+10 of that +12 came against the 6 worst teams in the league

No slight, you’re supposed to win those and he did...

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is just that Franco-Canadian Jose Theodore nonsense all over again!!

I say we riot!!

Hey you're right!

That's it, I'm no longer buying Quebec wine.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If I'm a calgary journalist I'm never giving a Habs player my vote because of the Iggy snub.

#####ers.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by Owen15

A goalie hasn’t won the Calder in over 20 years.

I think second is amazing for Wolf. And he deserved it. Hutson had a statistically significant year. Historic.

I think Steve mason won it

[Ped]

Originally Posted by jeffman

I think Steve mason won it

Yes, in 2009. 16 years.



Also, some seriously cool names in the early days of the Calder. Sweeney Schriner. Ed Litzenberger. Kilby MacDonald. Pentti Lund. Jonathan Quilty. Russ Blinco. Cully Dahlstrom.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Focus on the bottom teams in each conference


Wolf had great stats but padded them against the worst teams. He had all 7 starts against Chi and SJ alone and went 7-0.

Calgary went 9-1 vs the West bottom 3 (Wolf 8-1, Vladar 1-0)
Against the east bottom 3, they were 3-0-3 (Wolf 3-0-2, Vladar 0-0-1)

They were pretty dominant against bottom feeders on both sides

Wolf went 28-16-8 which is awesome. 12 games over .500
+10 of that +12 came against the 6 worst teams in the league

No slight, you’re supposed to win those and he did...

Im sure the other guys scored more points against #### teams.too

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Im sure the other guys scored more points against #### teams.too

Really not sure who other guys are or what that has to do with anything

The point is that the Flames had 16 games against bottom 6 teams. Wolf got 14 of those starts. While you are all marvelling at him, he padded his stats against bad teams

Wolf
Overall: 29-16-8
Vs bottom 6: 11-1-2
Vs the rest: 18-15-6

Vladar
Overall: 12-11-6
Vs bottom 6 : 1-0-1
Vs the rest: 11-11-5


If the games against the crap teams were distributed evenly, I think you have 1a/1b stats

Like I say, Wolf’s starts were curated. It’s not that he didn’t eventually face good teams, but he padded his stats against the crappy ones. He got nearly every single game against the awful / bottom 6 teams.

I just think the story that is being sold, that he nearly dragged them in to the playoffs, merits a closer look.

He is very good and will be a franchise goalie, but he was not demonstrably better than his tandem mate against the good teams . The numbers are clear

[dammage79]

I'd cry Eastern Bias but the fact Wolf finished a solid 2nd ahead of Celebrini tells me this one was thought out.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd cry Eastern Bias but the fact Wolf finished a solid 2nd ahead of Celebrini tells me this one was thought out.

Did Celebrini have a big game vs the Sabres? Noticed two Buffalo writers had him voted number one

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Owen15

A goalie hasn’t won the Calder in over 20 years.

I think second is amazing for Wolf. And he deserved it. Hutson had a statistically significant year. Historic.

To be a Calder winner at that position a rookie goalie has to be a starter, which happens so rarely.

But Wolf did what a lot of rookies in Calgary haven’t done, including guys like Bennett - he kicked the door down.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd cry Eastern Bias but the fact Wolf finished a solid 2nd ahead of Celebrini tells me this one was thought out.

Well Celebrini also plays in the west so I fail to see how that disproves anything

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To be a Calder winner at that position a rookie goalie has to be a starter, which happens so rarely.

But Wolf did what a lot of rookies in Calgary haven’t done, including guys like Bennett - he kicked the door down.

Not really. He was flagged by the organization as the future (no objection), and given a curated mix of starts including nearly all of the ‘should win’ starts against bottom feeders

If he kicked the door down, it was like a door on a movie set that was intended to be kicked down

[dammage79]

Wolf didn't kick the door down. There was no door. They rolled out the red carpet for his arrival. They were willing to take the gamble that Wolf's career trajectory was real and it paid off. He really didn't give them a chance to build a door for him to kick down. And if we are honest, they really didn't douch to build out the roster to shelter him either and they still reaped the rewards of Wolf being who he always was, a great goaltender everywhere he has gone.

From a fan perspective there was way too much "But he's smol" and ignoring his stat line from every league he played in leading up to last season.

[Enoch Root]

I mean, they traded their #1 goalie - he didn't kick the door down, they opened it for him.

And that is not a slight against him - they opened the door for him, and he charged through it.

But I agree 100% with DeluxeMoustache - he got all the easy starts, and his numbers reflect it. I think some fans are over-rating his season, and many have under-rated Vladar's.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well Celebrini also plays in the west so I fail to see how that disproves anything

To me if it was pure Eastern Bias then Celebrini would have finished 2nd simply because he's a much more household name given his draft pedigree and nationality. So if there was an eastern Bias and they were being lazy about voting, then Celebrini should have been an easy 2nd place vote share.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I mean, they traded their #1 goalie - he didn't kick the door down, they opened it for him.

And that is not a slight against him - they opened the door for him, and he charged through it.

But I agree 100% with DeluxeMoustache - he got all the easy starts, and his numbers reflect it. I think some fans are over-rating his season, and many have under-rated Vladar's.

OK, perhasps better was he took the ball and ran with it. But he wasn't gifted the starters role. He took it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I mean, they traded their #1 goalie - he didn't kick the door down, they opened it for him.

And that is not a slight against him - they opened the door for him, and he charged through it.

But I agree 100% with DeluxeMoustache - he got all the easy starts, and his numbers reflect it. I think some fans are over-rating his season, and many have under-rated Vladar's.

He absolutely lived up to expectations

Thing is, some people are saying he should be signed 8 x 7-8M, and probably don’t think Vladar is worth more than 2-2.5

Goalies are tough to evaluate because context matters

Anyways, awesome that he was recognized so highly in this category. Hutson was amazing and Celebrini had #1 overall pedigree