[Rumour] UPD: Zary week to week

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I still think it should have been a tripping penalty, intentional/dirty or not.

I remember Tkachuk was called for a similar play in the playoffs last year when he lost an edge and took someone out.

[musth]

Dreger on barn burner said his ACL and MCL are still intact



According to guy on reddit

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Considering how the game was called last night, I'm surprised they didn't give Zary an embellishment penalty.

Then a delay of game for faking it so long

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Considering how the game was called last night, I'm surprised they didn't give Zary an embellishment penalty.

I'm surprised they didn't take away one of our goals that actually counted because of it.

[Manhattanboy]

No word on the imaging? That seems strange.

Maybe the league will reverse the results.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I still think it should have been a tripping penalty, intentional/dirty or not.

Pospisil took an interference. Hit a guy without the puck.

How is this different? Because it wasn’t intentional?

NHL refereeing is an enigma.

[flambers]

While its great news it doesn't sound like a serious injury,

Wonder if he is still out for the season,

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's not like he reinjured it on a seemingly nothing play.
He got cut out at the legs and everything bent in all sorts of ways they are not supposed to.

Just a massive reach.

I'm not reaching for any causality with this specific incident, just opining the flames medical team fully deserves any scrutiny thrown their way for their past handling of young star players and their health

[Jiri Hrdina]

You say past young players. Plural. So sounds like you believe there is a pattern with multiple examples. What are those examples?
By making the comment in this thread, you are indeed suggesting they did something wrong with Zary.
But again, what are these multiple young stars where the Flames didn't prioritize their health?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You say past young players. Plural. So sounds like you believe there is a pattern with multiple examples. What are those examples?
By making the comment in this thread, you are indeed suggesting they did something wrong with Zary.
But again, what are these multiple young stars where the Flames didn't prioritize their health?

I think he means Monahan. One could argue that he was playing through injuries that he shouldn't have been playing through, but it's speculation because we don't know if him playing was making things worse.

I guess one could also argue that Pelletier re-injured the same shoulder right after he returned, similarly to Zary injuring his knee, but both were freak accidents, and that's a flimsy argument at best.

Valimaki is the last hypothetical case I can think of, but again I don't think anyone could've foreseen the ACL tears, and there's not much the team could've done. He looked slower and often out of position after recovering from that injury.

Other recent Flames prospects that had their careers derailed by injuries: Beck, Parsons, Gillies. Honzek and Poirier might eventually make the list. Not exactly stars, and I don't see a connection to the medical staff.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think he means Monahan. One could argue that he was playing through injuries that he shouldn't have been playing through, but it's speculation because we don't know if him playing was making things worse.

I guess one could also argue that Pelletier re-injured the same shoulder right after he returned, similarly to Zary injuring his knee, but both were freak accidents, and that's a flimsy argument at best.

Valimaki is the last hypothetical case I can think of, but again I don't think anyone could've foreseen the ACL tears, and there's not much the team could've done. He looked slower and often out of position after recovering from that injury.

Other recent Flames prospects that had their careers derailed by injuries: Beck, Parsons, Gillies. Honzek and Poirier might eventually make the list. Not exactly stars, and I don't see a connection to the medical staff.

I suspect you could look at any team and create a list of young players who had careers impacted by injury, including ones who maybe tried playing too soon after rehab.

It's not like stories are coming out like Souray and the Oilers.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Injures happen
Suggesting the Flames don’t prioritize the health of their players is a big accusation that requires more evidence than the poster provided
It is also well known that Monahan himself was hiding from the Flames how much he was hurting. Now you can argue that they should have still known or be able to tell but that’s still just a single example

[Enoch Root]

So it's the Flames' fault every time a player's career is derailed by injuries?

Show evidence that it happens more with the Flames than most teams, and then there is at least something to talk about.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Injures happen
Suggesting the Flames don’t prioritize the health of their players is a big accusation that requires more evidence than the poster provided
It is also well known that Monahan himself was hiding from the Flames how much he was hurting. Now you can argue that they should have still known or be able to tell but that’s still just a single example

Sure, hire me some PIs and lawyers and I'll get you that evidence. Monahan's handling isn't even debatable, but if you want some other specific examples aside from others provided above since the pluralization was clearly the step too far, Gaudreau returning 2 weeks after the wild hacked him enough to fracture a finger really screams prioritizing player health doesn't it?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

Sure, hire me some PIs and lawyers and I'll get you that evidence. Monahan's handling isn't even debatable, but if you want some other specific examples aside from others provided above since the pluralization was clearly the step too far, Gaudreau returning 2 weeks after the wild hacked him enough to fracture a finger really screams prioritizing player health doesn't it?

How long should he have stayed out, Dr Scornfire?

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How long should he have stayed out, Dr Scornfire?

Only as long as the coaching staff is willing to sit him to ensure we don't drop out of the playoff race👍

[dammage79]

If what Monahan said was true, he hid his injuries to keep playing . I'd be the first in line to critique any medical staff of rushing players, but you cannot use Monahan against them, he unfortunately did that to himself in misguided loyalty.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

Sure, hire me some PIs and lawyers and I'll get you that evidence. Monahan's handling isn't even debatable, but if you want some other specific examples aside from others provided above since the pluralization was clearly the step too far, Gaudreau returning 2 weeks after the wild hacked him enough to fracture a finger really screams prioritizing player health doesn't it?

There are injures where you can play with no risk of making it worse
Seems like you should outline your medicinal credentials since you fancy yourself somewhat of an expert

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If what Monahan said was true, he hid his injuries to keep playing . I'd be the first in line to critique any medical staff of rushing players, but you cannot use Monahan against them, he unfortunately did that to himself in misguided loyalty.

Agree to disagree, the team should be the ones making those calls, not the 20-something player whose put all the expectations of the fanbase on themself, and it was incredibly obvious to all of us watching (plenty of threads on these very forums I can recall it being discussed in real time) that he was hurt. How a medical professional couldn't is beyond me

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There are injures where you can play with no risk of making it worse
Seems like you should outline your medicinal credentials since you fancy yourself somewhat of an expert

Oh for sure, would you like a printed copy of my resume mailed to your desk or would a pdf suffice? Miss me with your policing of other people and their qualifications and prerequisites for their opinions