[Trade] Canucks trade Vasily Podkolzin to Oilers for 2025 4th

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Uh

D'oh!

I miss the days when CapFriendly got these trades up to date within minutes.

And I missed the fact that this was Ottawa's 4th. For some reason I thought it was the Oilers' own.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sandman

There was a few years there where much of the hockey world considered Podkolzin one of the top prospects in the league....

Same with Yakupov

[Coach]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Buildin' something special.

Next door to the special building from 2010? Or was it the laneway built in 2015? Or the 2nd detached garage from 2020?

It's becoming a special compound.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Some are still hopeful about Jakob Pelletier too but if the Flames traded him today we'd be lucky to get a 4th.

After 5 years, prospects turn into scrubs if they haven’t made it

If Pelletier is available on waiver during the roster cut down, I doubt anyone would pick him up . Every team has a Pelletier or two

[Locke]

I have never heard of this person before in my life.

And with a name like that, you'd think it'd be memorable.

[gvitaly]

It's actually pretty funny. In a recent interview he was talking about how Vancouver is a top 3 city in the NHL, and that no one wants to get traded from it. That included himself, he also mentioned that he might get traded after saying that.

Apparently Kuzmenko was pretty upset because he was getting traded to Calgary.

[Enoch Root]

you just know that Oiler fans are saying:

Broberg (8OA) + 4th for Podkolzin (10OA) + 2nd... WIN!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Seems like a really dumb trade for Vancouver. Maybe you lose him on waivers after training camp, but I would take the risk - either he shows out in camp and makes the team or you find a taker for him who isn't in the division, even if it's for a 5th or 6th at that point it's worth the gamble to lose those draft spots.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Seems like a really dumb trade for Vancouver. Maybe you lose him on waivers after training camp, but I would take the risk - either he shows out in camp and makes the team or you find a taker for him who isn't in the division, even if it's for a 5th or 6th at that point it's worth the gamble to lose those draft spots.

"Take less or nothing later just in case this guy figures it out!"

I think Podkolzin still has a chance to carve out a good NHL career if he gets some consistency, but I think the Canucks realized it wasn't going to be with them. Moving him now gives the team a better asset back and additional flexibility in addressing other areas on the roster that need help.

I'd have preferred not Edmonton, but if theyre the only ones calling back, well, beggars can't be choosers.

[direwolf]

Oilers acquiring another forward, lol. Keep trying to outscore your problems Oilers. I'm sure it'll work this time.

[dustygoon]

Makes sense if you think canucks know the player better than anyone. Would never trade a former 1st rounder for a 4th to a rival if you ever thought that player would ever become something.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Makes sense if you think canucks know the player better than anyone. Would never trade a former 1st rounder for a 4th to a rival if you ever thought that player would ever become something.

The original team knows EVERY player better than anyone else. So by your logic, every time a young player is given up on, and traded, the right decision was made. But alas, that is not true.

[Meers]

I assume this means Holloway is gone. If so, Edmonton traded down and didn’t gain much draft capital in return. A good result!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

you just know that Oiler fans are saying:

Broberg (8OA) + 4th for Podkolzin (10OA) + 2nd... WIN!

2nds are as useful as 4ths to the oilers.

They don't do #### all with either.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The original team knows EVERY player better than anyone else. So by your logic, every time a young player is given up on, and traded, the right decision was made. But alas, that is not true.

Ah...but alas...

a) this is a trade to a rival. Has more risk to it reputationally than the average trade.

b) It's a 4th rounder for a former 1st rounder. Canucks fans are pissed the return is lower than they thought he was worth.

Yes...fresh start and all that. But you think twice about this trade unless you are pretty damn sure VP is what he is at this point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Ah...but alas...

a) this is a trade to a rival. Has more risk to it reputationally than the average trade.

b) It's a 4th rounder for a former 1st rounder. Canucks fans are pissed the return is lower than they thought he was worth.

Yes...fresh start and all that. But you think twice about this trade unless you are pretty damn sure VP is what he is at this point.

So you are arguing that, because they accepted less than others thought they should get, they must be really sure they are right (and therefore, they are more likely to be be right).

Bold strategy, let's see how that plays out.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

"Take less or nothing later just in case this guy figures it out!"

Yes, take less in case he figures it out. He's figured it out for stretches. He has plenty of tools. And he costs very little if you can get him to play an NHL role, which is important for the Canucks as they deal with this 2 year stretch of OEL being almost 5M in dead cap hit for them.

The downside risk of having to trade him for a 5th or 6th instead, to somewhere besides Edmonton, is very obviously a risk worth taking. Because now not only have you helped your division rival out with their cap structure, you may have given them a useful complimentary piece.

Podkolzin may not have gotten to a point of being a consistent tip 6 guy the way they'd hoped but there has never been a question of his talent OR work ethic.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes, take less in case he figures it out. He's figured it out for stretches.

He figured it out under one coach over three years ago and has not been able replicate it since then. The issue isn't that he hasn't figured it out at the NHL level. It's that he has struggled with consistency at the AHL level.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

He has plenty of tools. And he costs very little if you can get him to play an NHL role, which is important for the Canucks as they deal with this 2 year stretch of OEL being almost 5M in dead cap hit for them.

Except they didn't feel like he could play an NHL role. That's the issue.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The downside risk of having to trade him for a 5th or 6th instead, to somewhere besides Edmonton, is very obviously a risk worth taking. Because now not only have you helped your division rival out with their cap structure, you may have given them a useful complimentary piece.

They gave the Oilers a player they feel cannot hack it consistently at an NHL level for an asset. Could that player rebound? Sure. But it's more likely he doesn't.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Podkolzin may not have gotten to a point of being a consistent tip 6 guy the way they'd hoped but there has never been a question of his talent OR work ethic.

When the talent and work-ethic never translates on the ice, eventually you have to move on.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So you are arguing that, because they accepted less than others thought they should get, they must be really sure they are right (and therefore, they are more likely to be be right).

Bold strategy, let's see how that plays out.

Kind of? I have a second bullet point in there. GM's don't like to look like fools.

You don't really need to see anything play out. If this trade was to a team out east for a 4th rounder or to edmonton for a 2nd rounder wouldn't either of those scenarios be less negative to Rutherford's reputation with fans and media in Vancouver if VP suddenly turns into a top 6 forward?

[activeStick]

I do remember some talk on the internets during the Lindholm trade and speculations about return, that there was zero way VP would be included because he was worth so much more in any deal. This was less than 6 months ago.