Nichushkin enters Player Assistance Program

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

A guy getting the help he needs is turned into cap circumvention because why???
Not every single thing that happens is a team trying to break the rules, guy obviously needs help.

I think what was being suggested is that the team would delay his return until the playoffs, not that going into the player assistance program was designed as a cap strategy.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by curves2000

It's not against the CBA to do blow and other hard drugs, only performance enhancing. The NHLPA and the league will let players know to be careful when illegal drugs show up in their blood tests.

They just let them know about scenarios and risks involving drugs, their dealers, their contracts being void if caught at boarder/police security etc

This is informative - thanks!

[Erick Estrada]

The Avs are nowhere deep enough right now to stash Nichushkin on IR for cap relief. I'm somewhat skeptical of the whole IR thing with some teams but not enough to don a tinfoil hat and dive that deep into the conspiracy theories.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

A guy getting the help he needs is turned into cap circumvention because why???
Not every single thing that happens is a team trying to break the rules, guy obviously needs help.

That is a brilliant way to twist what I said to try and start the ####show rolling. Like you totally ignored the first part of my post and try and twist what I said into accusing the Avs of forcing him into the program to make cap space which is ridiculous. Where is This Post Is Terrible? He should be giving you a thanks on that one.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is a brilliant way to twist what I said to try and start the ####show rolling. Like you totally ignored the first part of my post and try and twist what I said into accusing the Avs of forcing him into the program to make cap space which is ridiculous. Where is This Post Is Terrible? He should be giving you a thanks on that one.

Perhaps by saying "you have conflicting feelings on this" has led posters astray.....

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Can you just not? You said the same thing about Kylington in another thread.

I hope you never have any sensitive problems you might need help with.

The Kylington one was more so saying the flames could get out of Huberdeaus contract by massaging and legitimizing a mental illness. Also we have no clue what happened to Kylington so getting upset over “depressy spaghetti” makes 0 sense at all, we don’t know what kept him out of the game. Seems to me it’s a lot of the same group of people that never turn down a chance to be offended but that’s my view.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Perhaps by saying "you have conflicting feelings on this" has led posters astray.....

How so? I think I made it very clear that I think the player should get the help and I am glad he is yet I don't like the fact this opens up cap space for a contending team. At no point did I remotely suggest the team was sending him to the program to circumvent the cap.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

How so? I think I made it very clear that I think the player should get the help and I am glad he is yet I don't like the fact this opens up cap space for a contending team. At no point did I remotely suggest the team was sending him to the program to circumvent the cap.

Do you make the same comment anytime a player is injured?

No one suggested that you said this was intentional cap circumvention, those are your words.

You simply said you had conflicting feelings.

What is there to be conflicted about?

A player is in need of help and he reached out and got it. Good on him, and end of story.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

The Kylington one was more so saying the flames could get out of Huberdeaus contract by massaging and legitimizing a mental illness. Also we have no clue what happened to Kylington so getting upset over “depressy spaghetti” makes 0 sense at all, we don’t know what kept him out of the game. Seems to me it’s a lot of the same group of people that never turn down a chance to be offended but that’s my view.

The term depressy spaghetti is offensive and you continue to use it for some reason. It minimizes the struggles people go through with mental health.
You also are using it to categorize why Nikushkin entered the program, even though there is no mention of that - it seems like it is other things he is dealing with.

You did this last time in the Kylington thread and people told you why what you were posting was offensive, and you don't seem to care.

Maybe try to understand the hard realities that many people face with mental health, instead of being an ignorant dick.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

The Kylington one was more so saying the flames could get out of Huberdeaus contract by massaging and legitimizing a mental illness. Also we have no clue what happened to Kylington so getting upset over “depressy spaghetti” makes 0 sense at all, we don’t know what kept him out of the game. Seems to me it’s a lot of the same group of people that never turn down a chance to be offended but that’s my view.

As a person who has battled chronic mental illness since high school and have more than my share of horrific bouts of "depressy spaghetti" I'm not offended by it, but the term and your continued flippant attitude towards the illness doesn't settle well.

The idea that the Flames could use mental illness to get out from under the weight of Huberdeau's contract, even as a joke, is just stupid and shouldn't have made it beyond the intrusive thought phase of communication. But that's my view.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Do you make the same comment anytime a player is injured?

No one suggested that you said this was intentional cap circumvention, those are your words.

It is literally in the post I responded to, go read it.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Yamer

As a person who has battled chronic mental illness since high school and have more than my share of horrific bouts of "depressy spaghetti" I'm not offended by it, but the term and your continued flippant attitude towards the illness doesn't settle well.

The idea that the Flames could use mental illness to get out from under the weight of Huberdeau's contract, even as a joke, is just stupid and shouldn't have made it beyond the intrusive thought phase of communication. But that's my view.

As someone who also dealt with depression for give or take 8 years, including a couple attempts, I want to say I’m sorry you got to that point and I hope you’re doing better. Beyond that everything that happens in your life and with your struggles is out of my control. I can hope you, Kylington, and Nichushkin are all doing better while still knowing I can’t help and therefore don’t give a ####. Being an adult is an abrupt lesson that no one gives a #### about you, and if some people expect me to care about some hockey players I’ve never met, well that’s not happening. Life is brilliant, but it’s hard, figure it out or don’t, not my problem.

Do I want things to work out for these guys? Of course I do. Realistically is that going to happen? No it won’t. Will one of my posts on a message board materially change that? No it won’t. The only people getting upset by this inflate their self worth through this board and get upset at things others post. If I tied my self value to the happenings on this board I’d probably be depressy spaghetti again myself.

You aren’t unique in having struggles.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

As someone who also dealt with depression for give or take 8 years, including a couple attempts, I want to say I’m sorry you got to that point and I hope you’re doing better. Beyond that everything that happens in your life and with your struggles is out of my control. I can hope you, Kylington, and Nichushkin are all doing better while still knowing I can’t help and therefore don’t give a ####. Being an adult is an abrupt lesson that no one gives a #### about you, and if some people expect me to care about some hockey players I’ve never met, well that’s not happening. Life is brilliant, but it’s hard, figure it out or don’t, not my problem.

Do I want things to work out for these guys? Of course I do. Realistically is that going to happen? No it won’t. Will one of my posts on a message board materially change that? No it won’t. The only people getting upset by this inflate their self worth through this board and get upset at things others post. If I tied my self value to the happenings on this board I’d probably be depressy spaghetti again myself.

You aren’t unique in having struggles.

Now I feel bad because it feels like you're in a crisis. Either that or you found a monumentally ####ty way of viewing and subsequently dealing with the world from that pain.

If it's all legit I would maybe suggest reaching out to someone. This isn't a healthy post.

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[Goriders]

I had to recheck what this thread was even about. The cat fighting is stronger than usual in this one.

Sounds like the guy has some serious substance abuse issues. The story about him and the sex trade worker was pretty crazy. I don’t think I had heard about that one before.

Good on him for reaching out for help. Especially as a public figure. Takes balls to admit it openly. I’d imagine he must have hit a rock bottom. Good for the team and his family for standing beside him. Hopefully it all works out in the end.

[powderjunkie]

Just skimmed the first half of this thread and I feel personally attacked.