[Trade] CBJ acquire Damon Severson in a sign and trade. (8 yrs, $6.25 mil AAV)

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think he should be fine as long as he's not the top RD on the team, which he won't be. Jiricek will take that spot rather quick.

They will be fine as Severson and Provorov will make a great 2nd unit.

I could see Boqvist and Bean getting moved as they just can't seem to stay healthy

[Buff]

A couple years ago it was hard to come up with an actual sign and trade yet us fans talked about the possibilities of that happening all the time. I'm still not aware of a sign and trade happening. Before Tkachuk that is. Now there is a sign and trade in back to back off seasons. Let the flood gates open?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Buff

A couple years ago it was hard to come up with an actual sign and trade yet us fans talked about the possibilities of that happening all the time. I'm still not aware of a sign and trade happening. Before Tkachuk that is. Now there is a sign and trade in back to back off seasons. Let the flood gates open?

I still think that teams let other teams off easy though, but you should use that as an option to gain an asset. NJD had 0 interest in Severson at this point with Hughes 100% on the team next year. They got a 3rd and Columbus got a better deal than they would waiting til July 1. IMO though Columbus getting this done now likely is worth more than a 3rd as the cap hit could have been higher come July 1 due to only having the option for 7 year deal.

But I agree, this should happen more and more and should have been happening years ago.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Will be interesting to see if these moves Jarmo is making pays off for the Jackets

[NewFan]

Lindholm+Kyllington or Vladar for 3rd OA.
Then they sign Monahan 2 years deal.
I think they set until trade deadline.
Johnny will be happy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Remember when I said if Columbus got Bedard they could be better than the Flames and you thought it was ridiculous? They might be better than the Flames even though they did not get Bedard.

Columbus just needs a goalie now and no way they trade #3 overall now so they will be adding Leo to the mix who could be a franchise center.

Flames need a year where the load up and then look at doing something similar to Columbus.

Are you bragging about something that hasn't happened lol
I'm sure they will be better than at some point and vice versa

Anyway that convo was about Gaudreau I assume...the premise that he went there to make them worse so they got Bedard was always not a good one.

CBJ is still a few years away from playoffs IMO

Sens, Buffalo, ect. If a team or two fall out in the east those spots will be hard to get

[Harry Lime]

I think another domino to fall in Columbus.. they now have seven nhl defensemen and three really good prospects knocking on the door.

To those comparing severson to hanafin or weegar, hanafin is better defensively with unsheltered minutes, and weegar is much much better defensively.

Weegar looks like a steal of a contract compared to this, and hanafin is going to be expensive.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I think another domino to fall in Columbus.. they now have seven nhl defensemen and three really good prospects knocking on the door.

yup. Boqvist, Bean, Blankenburg, Bayreuther ... easy to see a couple of those being included in a trade package soon.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you bragging about something that hasn't happened lol
I'm sure they will be better than at some point and vice versa

Anyway that convo was about Gaudreau I assume...the premise that he went there to make them worse so they got Bedard was always not a good one.

CBJ is still a few years away from playoffs IMO

It was more about the injuries they suffered and why they were bottom 3 in the league. They added 2 good dmen but they also are adding Werenski back on d as he hardly played last year.

Anyways its seems much less ridiculous now they have added 2 top 4 dmen plus get their #1 dman back and have young players than could also make a significant leap.

Sure they might now make the playoffs, but the Flames might not either

[MacDaddy77]

This would be a great contract to get Hanifin at

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

This doesn’t make sense for Columbus at all. You had Peeke, Boqvist, and Jiricek on the right side.

Werenski
Severson
Provorov
Jiricek
Bean
Gudbranson
Peeke
Boquist
Blankenburg
Bayreuther

Ya it's a little tough to envision pairings currently. Seems like ideally they'd move Gudbranson or Peeke for a LHS version of them to shepherd Jiricek (like a Forbort-type)

Those top 3 guys (and Boqvist) are offense first guys. Gudbranson/Peeke are stay at home. Jiricek looks to be a stud all-around. Bayreuther is UFA.

Werenski-Severson
Provorov-Gudbranson/Peeke
???-Jiricek

Berni-Boqvist
Bean-Blankenburg


I wonder if they could pair Peeke+Boqvist for a LHD+? Not sure which teams have a LHD surplus...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It was more about the injuries they suffered and why they were bottom 3 in the league. They added 2 good dmen but they also are adding Werenski back on d as he hardly played last year.

Anyways its seems much less ridiculous now they have added 2 top 4 dmen plus get their #1 dman back and have young players than could also make a significant leap.

Sure they might now make the playoffs, but the Flames might not either

The whole point of that debate was Gaudreau leaving a first place team for Columbus so you can't compare the teams now

Gaudreau stays, Tkachuk probably stays...it's a totally different team as are the Jackets

Jackets are gonna be that team everyone loves in the summer who still ends up nowhere near the playoffs IMO

Reminds me of the Sens last summer

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It was more about the injuries they suffered and why they were bottom 3 in the league. They added 2 good dmen but they also are adding Werenski back on d as he hardly played last year.

If you look at their year prior to this one they were basically a bubble team. This year was a catastrophe because of the injuries and coaching but they should be right back to being a bubble team this year, depending how things gel of course.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The whole point of that debate was Gaudreau leaving a first place team for Columbus so you can't compare the teams now

Gaudreau stays, Tkachuk probably stays...it's a totally different team as are the Jackets

Jackets are gonna be that team everyone loves in the summer who still ends up nowhere near the playoffs IMO

Reminds me of the Sens last summer

Sorry, the comment from you came when I listed 7 or 8 teams that could be better than the Flames if they got Bedard. I listed teams like Washington, Ottawa, Detroit that you were good with but I also listed Columbus. You called me out that I had them on the list.

They are a very asset rich team, no real UFA/RFA issues with $20 mil cap space to play with. Some people struggle to have vision on what other teams could do to improve and are always very optimistic on what the Flames could do.

They are looking very good and have guys like Johnson, Sillnger, Jiricek and more than likely Carlsson as very high end prospects. They also have other quality prospects and a team that really has no cap concerns for a few years

I's take Columbus situation over the Flames and it really isn't close IMO

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Saqe

If you look at their year prior to this one they were basically a bubble team. This year was a catastrophe because of the injuries and coaching but they should be right back to being a bubble team this year, depending how things gel of course.

yes I pointed that out as well. They were an 82-point team I think and added Gaudreau. Injuries were a huge part of why they sucked. They were likely a team that could be a 90-point team before they added Provorov and Severson.

[HighLifeMan]

These moves Jarmo is making are coming two or three years too early.

They are still piss poor down the middle (a rookie Carlsson isn't going to change that), and have Merzlinkins as the defacto #1.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Because Severson was a UFA and I thought his connection to Huska and being from Melville, SASK might make him interesting in Calgary.

Bring in the UFA who is going to cost you nothing (or a 3rd in this case) and move Hanifin who likely brings back at least a first. On ice and from a cap hit perspective you're likely in the same position but come out of it with extra assets.

I guess, but with Hanifin you get him for another year cheap, plus the 8 at $6M or so going forward. Hanifin is also 2 years younger. And you leave your pretty successful pairing intact.

Severson's a RD as well. For some reason that's what Columbus wants. I guess to play with Provorov? Calgary's pending UFA RD is Tanev and they already have a $4M stay at home RD.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

These moves Jarmo is making are coming two or three years too early.

They are still piss poor down the middle (a rookie Carlsson isn't going to change that), and have Merzlinkins as the defacto #1.

It's June 9th, what if they aren't done?

I get that Carlsson and Jiricek are the new franchise players but Weerenski, Gaudreau, Laine are pretty good too.

Johnson and Sillinger are also key players.

They move Bean and Boqvist they could have $9 mil to play with in cap. They could probably move Texier too. They get 1 center and it will look a lot better.

Goalies are easier. Vegas is in the finals with Hill in net. Merzlikins had a bad year but I'm not so sure he was as bad as his numbers. They had serious injuries on d last year. At one point Gudbrannson was their #1 guy

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It's June 9th, what if they aren't done?

I get that Carlsson and Jiricek are the new franchise players but Weerenski, Gaudreau, Laine are pretty good too.

Johnson and Sillinger are also key players.

They move Bean and Boqvist they could have $9 mil to play with in cap. They could probably move Texier too. They get 1 center and it will look a lot better.

Goalies are easier. Vegas is in the finals with Hill in net. Merzlikins had a bad year but I'm not so sure he was as bad as his numbers. They had serious injuries on d last year. At one point Gudbrannson was their #1 guy

How do you propose they land a #1 center without moving a Johnson, #3 overall, or Jiricek type of asset?

Its pretty clear they are expediating the rebuild which rarely works out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

How do you propose they land a #1 center without moving a Johnson, #3 overall, or Jiricek type of asset?

Its pretty clear they are expediating the rebuild which rarely works out.

Seems like a Dougie Hamilton to Calgary move. Treliving and Jarmo actually operate pretty similarly (except Jarmo gets praised for bold moves and Treliving gets criticized for similar ones).