[Signing] Islanders sign Horvat (8 years, $8.5m AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Canucks have only scored 8 more goals this season than the Flames. I really don't think the team was inflating his numbers this season.

I didn't say inflating but it's not like they are terrible and it's not like the Islanders are the highest scoring team around.

Guy has a 21% shooting percentage it's highly unlikely he continues at this pace even one more season.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Beauvillier is a 30-40pt winger who makes $4.15m
Raty hasn't shown much but he's young and could still pop

I agree with the couple of years but safe to say they'll need to get a gem with the pick

You don't need it to be a gem

They traded 30 games of a player, games they want to lose anyway, for a 1st, a prospect, and a player who can probly get moved for a 2nd or 3rd next year at the deadline

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

2 more mil and they could have gotten Gaudreau.

Smells like a Skinner contract.

1.25 more, no?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Beauvillier is a 30-40pt winger who makes $4.15m
Raty hasn't shown much but he's young and could still pop

I agree with the couple of years but safe to say they'll need to get a gem with the pick

Beauvilier is a guy that, in the right situation, could easily be a 45 point guy, which is solid 2nd line production. The Canucks can put him in a position to do that by playing him on PP1 and in their top 6. If they do that, and he scores at a solid pace for the rest of the season, they can withhold 50% on him and he becomes valuable on a 1 year deal for $2M. Possibly worth a late 2nd. That is a gamble, and the downside risk is that he fails to return to his career averages, and Vancouver wastes 4M in cap space next year when they're going to be bad anyway.

Aatu Raty is a player who dropped due to a terrible draft season before having a tremendous draft +1 year where he immediately rebuilt his value as a prospect - to the point that the Athletic had him go 22nd overall when they did a re-draft earlier this season. The value there is, realistically, a late first round pick. This is not a B prospect.

You can debate whether that's enough value for trading your captain when he's 27 and having the best season of his career, and of course you're right that who wins depends on whether the first rounder produces a good player, but let's be accurate about what the return was.

[Vinny01]

Tough to see how Lindholm isn’t t over $9M per on his next deal when you see contracts like this handed out to guys the same age

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so sign him with a NMC and then ship him out to wherever before it kicks in? Sounds like a terrible idea and bad faith negotiation

Good luck with other players in the future

I'm not even saying the player wouldn't know about it.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Canucks have only scored 8 more goals this season than the Flames. I really don't think the team was inflating his numbers this season.

Of course his numbers are inflated. The Canucks were out of the playoff race 2 weeks into the season! lol

After that there is no pressure. They can win or lose 8-7 games and no one would care.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the Canucks did OK on the deal. The mistake was putting themselves in position that they had to trade him not the trade itself.

100%

Vancouver got way more than Calgary did for Gaudreau.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

100%

Vancouver got way more than Calgary did for Gaudreau.

Slightly different when your team is in the basement vs. 1st place in the division

[activeStick]

I think Horvat is going to do well with Barzal

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I'm not even saying the player wouldn't know about it.

player likely wouldn't sign it though...that is why it never happens

in this case it seems pretty obvious Horvat's agent talked to Lou, many of his other clients are on the Islanders roster

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Beauvilier is a guy that, in the right situation, could easily be a 45 point guy, which is solid 2nd line production. The Canucks can put him in a position to do that by playing him on PP1 and in their top 6. If they do that, and he scores at a solid pace for the rest of the season, they can withhold 50% on him and he becomes valuable on a 1 year deal for $2M. Possibly worth a late 2nd. That is a gamble, and the downside risk is that he fails to return to his career averages, and Vancouver wastes 4M in cap space next year when they're going to be bad anyway.

Aatu Raty is a player who dropped due to a terrible draft season before having a tremendous draft +1 year where he immediately rebuilt his value as a prospect - to the point that the Athletic had him go 22nd overall when they did a re-draft earlier this season. The value there is, realistically, a late first round pick. This is not a B prospect..

https://www.flohockey.tv/articles/10...couting-report

I'd classify Räty as a "B" prospect, which is to say he is unlikely to be a top-line player and less likely to be star-caliber, but he still has a chance to be an impact player at the NHL level.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

player likely wouldn't sign it though...that is why it never happens

in this case it seems pretty obvious Horvat's agent talked to Lou, many of his other clients are on the Islanders roster

It happened with Chucky

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It happened with Chucky

Yeah the first time in NHL history and everyone involved knew he was being traded to Florida...little different than just signing a player to make him easier to trade

you asked why it doesn't happen more often, its pretty obvious...no pending UFA is gonna sign a deal that could take away all their control

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Cripes Lou is 80.
Old school guy operating in a new world to be sure.

He’s just about old enough to own an NFL team.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tough to see how Lindholm isn’t t over $9M per on his next deal when you see contracts like this handed out to guys the same age

Lindholm will be turning 30 that year, I would guess a Kadri type deal unless the cap goes up substantially.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would rather have Naz at his deal we have him for.

Horvat is a overrated 50 point player making 8.5.

Career he's a 55 point guy. Over his last 3 years, he's a 68 point guy.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Way too much.

It’s the same cap hit as Hertl, who has the exact same career PPG in 13 extra games, and Hertl is a full year older.

It’s expensive. Pending UFA soon to be 28 year old centres are premium commodities - besides, they couldn’t give up four pieces including a 1st and not sign him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Beauvilier is a guy that, in the right situation, could easily be a 45 point guy, which is solid 2nd line production. The Canucks can put him in a position to do that by playing him on PP1 and in their top 6.

A winger playing top 6 minutes and PP1 who gets 45 points is playing on a very poor team, as that's terrible production for that type of premium ice time.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Career he's a 55 point guy. Over his last 3 years, he's a 68 point guy.

Horvat and Kadri had similar productions including a career contract year.

Only major difference is Horvat is 4.5 yrs younger. That makes him a little bit more valuable.