[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[Calgary4LIfe]

On the surface, there is little to complain about. Mid-round pick for a (good) 4th liner is fair value. I am just a bit disappointed since there is a history of trading away mid-round picks for depth players. These add-up. I also don't know that Pitlick is better than what the Flames would be able to sign for free.


Hopefully Pitlick comes in and provides an upgrade over what the Flames have had for a while, and makes me simply look like a negative nancy.

[Monahammer]

Plenty of glib remarks in here.

Yeah, this move alone won't sink the roster, but it is absolutely evidence of continued stupidity on behalf of the people running the organization.

This is the most wide open draft in the last 2 decades. A mid round pick might just have 1st round talent. And we're trading it for Pitlick. Infuriating...

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Plenty of glib remarks in here.

Yeah, this move alone won't sink the roster, but it is absolutely evidence of continued stupidity on behalf of the people running the organization.

This is the most wide open draft in the last 2 decades. A mid round pick might just have 1st round talent. And we're trading it for Pitlick. Infuriating...

Maybe it's a pick in next year's draft?... probably not, but maybe.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Great. Do we get their PK coaches to go with Pitlick? Different systems usually generate different results. The more I think about this move the more I dislike it.

What a ridiculous take.

So the Flames shouldnt go after any other player because that player wont be bringing their coaching staff with them?

Or does that just apply to players YOU don't like?

Sutter is pretty good at making sure players are played to their strength, and the Flames PK last year was wholly underwhelming for the most part. So when you lose Ryan and a couple other guys that were on it, you need replacements.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Would make sense and is totally in keeping with Treliving’s
MO of burning picks for pieces that ultimately don’t help the team in any meaningful way.

3rd for Pitlick.
3rd for Gustafsson.
4th for Forbort.
4th for Fantenberg.
3rd for Smith.
2nd for Lazar.
2nd for Elliott.
1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.

How much damage could trading a mid round pick for a replacement level player do? We sure aren't missing a Batherson or a Kyrou pushing for a spot right now!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Hopefully it's a 5th. He's essentially Ryan's replacement for just over half the cap hit (I think)...

I hope not, preferably Nordstrom’s replacement

Derek Ryan is underrated

[Monahammer]

This is the type of draft that could easily have a Kuch or a Johnny tucked away in the 3rd and 4th rounds!!

[gvitaly]

I actually see him as a 3rd liner. He does well at generating chances and pushing the puck up the ice. The offense wasn’t there last year. I think he could work really well on a line with Backlund and one of Mangiapane/Pelltier. He is a UFA after this season, so he will be playing for a contract. I don’t see him re-signing here, and hope the compensation reflects that.

[Jason14h]

How many people even knew who this guy was yesterday?

Now we are judging good or bad value for a 3rd?

Here's what I know - The Flames need cap space. The Flames need top end talent. The Flames need more youth/cost controlled 4th line players who are acquired through draft picks.

The Flames do not need to bolster their 4th line by using draft capital and cap room

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I'm more interested in Dvorak then Pitlick

As you should be x100

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Jore

How much damage could trading a mid round pick for a replacement level player do? We sure aren't missing a Batherson or a Kyrou pushing for a spot right now!

once or twice not much damage. But when you do it constantly every single year, you are reducing your chances at landing a good cost-controlled NHL players. The best teams are built through the draft, not with replacement players. I honestly would not even mind the replacement players if this team was competitive but we are nowhere close to being competitive AND burning draft picks for not great players

[Parallex]

I don't hate this. In a vacuum Pitlick doesn't really look good but he played really hard minutes for Arizona and his cap ticket isn't to to bad at 1.75. Ryan replacement at half Ryan's cost. A third isn't what I'd want to pay but it's not wholly outrageous either.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If it's a 5th, greatest trade ever. 4th, acceptable but borderline. 3rd, worst trade in NHL history.

Doug Risebrough is happy that you have forgotten some Calgary Flames history.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Do you think a 3rd round pick for Pitlick is good value?

I think it's fair. If he were on the Flames, and we were moving him at the deadline because we were sellers, I would expect a 3rd in return.

[BigRed]

I don't know the player, but thinking he's a Ryan replacement doesn't seem right except on paper. Ryan had vision, touch, hockey smarts. He was no mere grinder. Losing him will hurt no matter what.

[1qqaaz]

The Flames got a 3rd for Lee Stempniak after he led the team in points and was on a great contract ($2.5 mill).

If they then spend 3rds on guys like Bollig and Pitlick (11 points this year), I think it's hard to justify. There's a gigantic gap in value. Although Pitlick is a lot better than Bollig.
If the Oilers paid a 3rd for a guy like Pitlick, 100% of people CP would laugh at the trade.

I'm also kind of concerned that Pitlick would move up the lineup, play in the middle lines, and then suck the offense out of the line because he's in over his head. There's also the chance that he takes development opportunities away from some of the prospects. But Pitlick actually seems to score a decent number of goals for the minutes he's given.

It also seems like he would excel under a Sutter system. I think he'll be effective, but I also think he might get too many opportunities and ultimately reduce scoring if he plays on anything other than the 4th line.

If there's any justification for the trade that bugs me, it's the "3rd round picks don't usually turn into NHLers anyways" mindset.
That logic can be applied to any trade in which a 2nd to 7th round pick is used to acquire anyone who has ever played any NHL games.
The Flames have given up dozens of these picks and have nothing to show for it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What a ridiculous take.

So the Flames shouldnt go after any other player because that player wont be bringing their coaching staff with them?

Or does that just apply to players YOU don't like?

Sutter is pretty good at making sure players are played to their strength, and the Flames PK last year was wholly underwhelming for the most part. So when you lose Ryan and a couple other guys that were on it, you need replacements.

It was more of a statement on the lack of success in Calgary's systems. You can bring in all the great players you want (Pitlick is not a great players), but if they are playing flawed systems they are not going to achieve success. Our PK last year was not good and it was because of the passive system they were playing. Unless we have a different approach to killing penalties you could have all the Selke trophy winners in the world out there and we're still going to get owned. Pitlick may be a good penalty killer, but claiming he's going to come here and do the same as he did in Arizona is what is ridiculous, and you know it.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Pretty much a Bollig move.

Not going to crucify Treliving for this, it was these types of moves that Sutter first made as GM that really made an impact in 2004 (Nieminen, Nilsson, Simon etc.). He actually made a nice hockey trade his first summer, getting Warrener and Reinprecht for Drury.
That's the kind of move I'm looking for.

Not like Bollig at all.

Pitlick is actually a decent defensive forward who plays a premium position. Bollig shouldn’t have been on an NHL roster.

[mrdonkey]

Whatever. Just another trade to add to the list of sacrificing draft capital for a player who will have no impact on the organization whatsoever.

You want to know a big reason why the Flames prospect pool is so shallow? Moves like this become death by a thousand cuts. We’ve had this debate plenty of times. I wanted to hope Treliving had learned but clearly he’s just going to keep making the same mistakes over and over.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

3rd round pick for a 4th liner? Meh

About 10% of 3rd round picks play more than 100 games in the nhl. So using the draft pick and then the time and money of development probably holds less appeal than getting a guy who plays a role right now