Stabbing Spree in North Vancouver - 6 People in Hospital

[#-3]

Early on in the mask mandates last year, I started to hear black people in the states saying they can't walk into a store with a mask on, they would get shot.

It's seemed like a pretty reasonable concern to me. Probably best not to make superficial judgements, we have much better evidence of the problems this guy has than an old picture in a balaclava, I don't really want to live in a world people can't follow a freakin mask mandate fearing that they will presumed robbers (or terrorists).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Ok, but you realise that most terrorists in the west don’t wear face coverings, and the vast vast vast majority of people who wear face coverings are not terrorists, right? Like, it’s a bit ####ed up to look at that and say “yup, looks like a terrorist.”

Not defending the guy, he killed someone, this was anything from a violent outburst to a planned act of terrorism, but you should check your head if you see someone in a face covering and think they “look like a terrorist.” Especially now, obviously, but even before. Shake the noggin.

Ok, but if you were a detective on the case and you find out that a man who just attempted a mass killing had posted an image on social media similar to the types of photos being posted by Boko Haram and ISIS supporters in Canada at that time (2012). Would you investigate it as a possible lead, or would you be all like, no, most western terrorists don't wear masks and there models that wear them in advertisements, therefor it was probably something innocuous. You would be a really bad detective if you didn't follow-up with that angle and at least partly because of the image.

And for the record, I never said that I see someone in mask and think they could be a terrorist. You are kind of putting words in my mouth there. But in this instance, we have the hind sight that he attempted a mass murder. The picture may very well have a different context , but honestly what other reason is there post such a picture. With the knowledge of hindsight, it is creepy and worth looking into it. Its didn't look cold out, nor does it look like a photoshoot.

There were class photos with the Columbine terrorists with them pointing their fingers like guns to people. I would say that looks "terroristy" as well. If anyone saw the photo of the murderer before yesterday and automatically though "terrorist", then I get your point. But now when we see it after the events it is fishy enough that it should be looked into.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Ok, but if you were a detective on the case and you find out that a man who just attempted a mass killing had posted an image on social media similar to the types of photos being posted by Boko Haram and ISIS supporters in Canada at that time (2112).

Aaaaand Flamesaddiction just outed himself as a time traveler. Get him!!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Aaaaand Flamesaddiction just outed himself as a time traveler. Get him!!

Lol.

Oops. 2012.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

What's the difference between the look of that guy and this one?

The first mask is designed to hide face, instill fear and remain unrecognizable. The second one is designed to protect face from cold.

The picture alone does not necessarily indicate that he's terrorist or something. However, it is obvious that he IS trying to look scary. Unfortunately, if we are going to protect ourselves from such sprees, we have to learn to recognize signs early.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Ok, but you realise that most terrorists in the west don’t wear face coverings, and the vast vast vast majority of people who wear face coverings are not terrorists, right? Like, it’s a bit ####ed up to look at that and say “yup, looks like a terrorist.”

Not defending the guy, he killed someone, this was anything from a violent outburst to a planned act of terrorism, but you should check your head if you see someone in a face covering and think they “look like a terrorist.” Especially now, obviously, but even before. Shake the noggin.

Do you have any better idea on how to identify potential terrorists early? Do you disagree, that posting history in general can hint at potential criminal behavior? Should we as society monitor such behavior, look for dangerous patterns?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

The first mask is designed to hide face, instill fear and remain unrecognizable. The second one is designed to protect face from cold.

I can’t see a difference in their design. Can you point out some features that made you conclude the the first one was designed by ScaryMaskCo™?

The picture alone does not necessarily indicate that he's terrorist or something.

Thanks for making my point.

However, it is obvious that he IS trying to look scary.

Is it?

Unfortunately, if we are going to protect ourselves from such sprees, we have to learn to recognize signs early.

We do need to learn the signs. I’m not sure that photo, without context or the benefit of hindsight, has any.

[flylock shox]

Sure to be totally unrelated, but furthering a concerning week for North Vancouver, two Masonic lodges (separated by miles) have been burning all morning.



Looks like a pretty obvious case of arson. If so, this will further one of the most unusual weeks the North Shore has seen for a while.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Sure to be totally unrelated, but furthering a concerning week for North Vancouver, two Masonic lodges (separated by miles) have been burning all morning.



Looks like a pretty obvious case of arson. If so, this will further one of the most unusual weeks the North Shore has seen for a while.

People are still on the masonic conspiracy theories? That's some throwback middle ages type persecution. Far right terrorists?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There is a photo of him floating around on the internet dressed in black with his face covered. Looks kind of terroristy, but he was like 19 at the time. Could have been just trying to be edgy.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Just a wonderful looking citizen

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

What's the difference between the look of that guy and this one?

And this mask looks rapey, I mean what in the holy hell is going on in this thread.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by blankall

People are still on the masonic conspiracy theories? That's some throwback middle ages type persecution. Far right terrorists?

That was certainly my first thought (i.e. this flows from Q-style conspiracy theories).



Unlike the earlier stabbing incident though, this almost has to be the work of more than one person, and there has been no news of any arrests yet, so they're presumably still at large.



I hate to say it but - in addition to the Lower Mainland's well publicized issues with homelessness, drug addiction, and mental illness - there's a not insubstantial part of the population that don't fall into any of those categories, but who are just downright flaky. Wouldn't shock me at all if it turns out Q or some other nonsense just took root in the minds of whoever did this.


Then again, it could just be some guy who wasn't allowed in the club, and who recruited a buddy to get even. Who knows...


Edit: News now reporting a third Masonic lodge burning, this time in East Van.

[PepsiFree]

“As you can appreciate, we’re still in the early stages of our investigation. We continue to investigate the potential motive behind the incident, as well as the suspect’s background and history in British Columbia,” Tansey said. “We can establish that the accused was unknown and did not have any links to any of the victims based on our information so far. The accused does have links to Quebec and we’re still trying to determine what brought him to the West Coast.”

She said there is no suggestion that Bandaogo was radicalized or was targeting women, despite the fact six of the seven victims were female.

“We understand that there will be questions about the suspect and the desire to understand the motive behind this senseless act. But we are still in the early stages, and we may not be able to provide you answers at this time … I assure you it is far from over. I realize that this is a profound and tragic incident that has deeply affected a great many people especially the members of the Lynn Valley community. Please know that IHIT is committed to completing a full and complete investigation, leaving no stone unturned.”

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-shes-shocked

The rest of the article does the basic "he was a good kid" and "nobody could have seen this coming" which honestly really annoys me that every time someone kills/injures a bunch of people we automatically try to humanize them and make them an empathetic figure, instead of focusing on the victims. But some of the quotes do paint a picture of someone depressed and struggling to get by, though no indication why he left Quebec for Vancouver.

Doesn't seem to be any hint this was an act of terrorism, though obviously not ruled out entirely. Though perhaps these detectives are just really bad at their job. He wore a ski mask at least once, after all.

[Icantwhisper]

Guys, it's super easy to spot terrorists! They all wear the same uniform!
Weird he is a Terrorist and not a mass murderer, I though terrorism had to be linked to an ideology?
I guess we know his motive now based on a picture on the internet from a couple years ago with no context.
I'm also confused by him name, last name is 64% terroristy but first name has me thinking french

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

And this mask looks rapey, I mean what in the holy hell is going on in this thread.

What if it was Harvey Weinstein wearing it anywhere but in a blizzard? It’s the context.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

That was certainly my first thought (i.e. this flows from Q-style conspiracy theories).



Unlike the earlier stabbing incident though, this almost has to be the work of more than one person, and there has been no news of any arrests yet, so they're presumably still at large.



I hate to say it but - in addition to the Lower Mainland's well publicized issues with homelessness, drug addiction, and mental illness - there's a not insubstantial part of the population that don't fall into any of those categories, but who are just downright flaky. Wouldn't shock me at all if it turns out Q or some other nonsense just took root in the minds of whoever did this.


Then again, it could just be some guy who wasn't allowed in the club, and who recruited a buddy to get even. Who knows...


Edit: News now reporting a third Masonic lodge burning, this time in East Van.

I am going to withhold judgment until i see what the suspects look like in balaclavas

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I take it you love our justice system

Who has a better justice system? What are the aspects that make it better, and what are the associated societal outcomes that benefit all? What are the drawbacks of said system vs. what we have?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What if it was Harvey Weinstein wearing it anywhere but in a blizzard? It’s the context.

A rapist could wear a suit and tie and still look like a rapist, because he is one.

It's not the context, it's prejudice. You made a fine enough point earlier, that after someone commits a crime, a photo of them in a black mask is worth looking into to see if it has any meaning at all. But there's a distinction between that and saying wearing a black mask looks "terroristy."

I know what you were thinking, but ask yourself this: if the killer was a white man named "John Smith" born and raised in Calgary, with the exact same photo, would you have guessed some connection to ISIS or Boko Haram? This is not a suggestion of anything sinister or wrong on your part. But be honest with yourself, was it the crime and the photo? Or was it everything combined?

Pointman's idea that this was how we might identify terrorists early was far dumber than anything you said. At least you indicated it as a train of thought after the fact. But trying to identify terrorists before they commit crimes by looking for people of colour with foreign sounding names taking pictures in black masks is just overwhelmingly stupid.

[Blaster86]

What the #### is going on here!?!?!?!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

What the #### is going on here!?!?!?!

I honestly not sure at this point, it seems an arguement has broken out the crux of which is we shouldnt arrest people who are wearing balaclavas as they might not be a rapists, they might just be skiing

[Robo]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I honestly not sure at this point, it seems an arguement has broken out the crux of which is we shouldnt arrest people who are wearing balaclavas as they might not be a rapists, they might just be skiing

Well looks like I won't be wearing my balaclava out until I see which side wins this argument