All these NTC guys from Tampa likely are not too happy going elsewhere. Not many tax free locales left who can take on their contracts. They all took less money to play in tax free Florida so I can't see too many of these guys being happy to lose the big escrow plus pay higher taxes.
For what it's worth, it probably matters where they're going. JT Miller was apparently not super stoked due to the money implications, as you pointed out, but once he realized the opportunity to play as a top line player in Vancouver he perked up.
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In JT Miller's case that trade almost certainly made him millions on his next contract by putting him on Pettersson's wing. That's a pretty rare situation, to put it mildly.
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If Tampa waived him, he would almost certainly get claimed. I don't think they'll need to sweeten a deal for him, but he'll probably be close to free.
The ask is probably just an AHL goaltender as capfriendly shows they only had 3 and they are all UFAs (not sure if they have others in the system not on NHL deals?).
McElhinney is 37 at 1.3M for 1 more year. They'd probably love to save a few hundred k there if they could, too.
A benefit to having Johnson on your roster is that he might appeal to Seattle [if you don't have anything else really shiny exposed]
In JT Miller's case that trade almost certainly made him millions on his next contract by putting him on Pettersson's wing. That's a pretty rare situation, to put it mildly.
Yeah but a 26 year old with no trade protection and 3 years left on his deal is different from a 30 year old with 4 who has a full NTC. One stands a much better chance of earning another good contract with better opportunity.
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Denial doesn't make it untrue. I know nothing about Johnson but if he had a long term S/O he'd have a pretty good reason to deny it if it were true. She might be lying to get her 15 minutes, he might also be lying.
Denial doesn't make it untrue. I know nothing about Johnson but if he had a long term S/O he'd have a pretty good reason to deny it if it were true. She might be lying to get her 15 minutes, he might also be lying.
Or maybe some random dude in a bar just introduced himself as Tyler Johnson of the TB Lightning. The key to the lie is picking an obscure sports figure...
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If they'd wanted to do that they should've done it last year. Dude's 30, makes $5m per for 3 more years and is coming off a 30 point, 14 goal season. That ain't worth $5m.
in 65 games! Last year he had 47 pts in 80 games, 50 in 81 year before that.
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Yeah I think it's safe to say that Johnson is still good for 40-50 points in a full season. I think he slots into the 2nd line ahead of Backlund as a better offensive option, and it pushes Backlund to where he is best suited, as a 3rd line center with the key defensive matchups. Or he slots in on the 2nd line RW as a RHS and pushes Mangiapane down to where he is better suited on the 3rd line as an energy winger with offense.
My one issue is his size, adding to what is already a relatively small team. I'm not bullish on BIG=GOOD, but you need a balance in the lineup.
Of course, acquisition cost is a big thing, so unless there's salary retained, it's a hard pass from me. Even $1 million retained to put his salary at $4 million, all of a sudden that contract is good value for an offensive center/winger. However, there is still 4 years on that deal, so if there's any drop off, it could become an albatross.
I think Johnson fills a need, but there might be better options out there to go for. If those don't work out, circle back to Johnson and see if there's a deal to be made.
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Or maybe some random dude in a bar just introduced himself as Tyler Johnson of the TB Lightning. The key to the lie is picking an obscure sports figure...
Also a possibility. I'm not calling either liars, or saying either is telling the truth. Just that it is their truth and we will never know it.
Yeah I think it's safe to say that Johnson is still good for 40-50 points in a full season. I think he slots into the 2nd line ahead of Backlund as a better offensive option, and it pushes Backlund to where he is best suited, as a 3rd line center with the key defensive matchups. Or he slots in on the 2nd line RW as a RHS and pushes Mangiapane down to where he is better suited on the 3rd line as an energy winger with offense.
My one issue is his size, adding to what is already a relatively small team. I'm not bullish on BIG=GOOD, but you need a balance in the lineup.
Of course, acquisition cost is a big thing, so unless there's salary retained, it's a hard pass from me. Even $1 million retained to put his salary at $4 million, all of a sudden that contract is good value for an offensive center/winger. However, there is still 4 years on that deal, so if there's any drop off, it could become an albatross.
I think Johnson fills a need, but there might be better options out there to go for. If those don't work out, circle back to Johnson and see if there's a deal to be made.
I think if Johnson to Calgary is a possibility, it's who he plays with as much as anything and with his ability to play everywhere, it creates many possibilities. We wouldn't want to put him with Gaudreau or Mangiapane, but as a RW with Tkachuk & Backlund or Bennett & Dube? That is quite appealing. Or as a C with Tkachuk & Dube, or Tkachuk & Bennett, or again, Bennett & Dube. Or if Gaudreau is on the outs and Hall coming in, could he play with Monahan and Hall as their RW?
Another thing is, with the Flames stating they want to play Bennett at C, would this change that? Would this make Bennett or Backlund expendable? Would this eliminate Hall at a possibility?
Too many questions for my brain due to both his diversity and contract.
in 65 games! Last year he had 47 pts in 80 games, 50 in 81 year before that.
So he was on pace for 38 points. Would that have been worth $5M per?
I think 50 probably is worth it, but you have to wonder if he's going to be that guy now that he's crossed the 30 year old barrier. I assume Tampa is going to say, "well look how well it worked out for the Canucks, you should do this too", but Tyler Johnson isn't 26.
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Yeah I think it's safe to say that Johnson is still good for 40-50 points in a full season. I think he slots into the 2nd line ahead of Backlund as a better offensive option, and it pushes Backlund to where he is best suited, as a 3rd line center with the key defensive matchups. Or he slots in on the 2nd line RW as a RHS and pushes Mangiapane down to where he is better suited on the 3rd line as an energy winger with offense.
My one issue is his size, adding to what is already a relatively small team. I'm not bullish on BIG=GOOD, but you need a balance in the lineup.
Of course, acquisition cost is a big thing, so unless there's salary retained, it's a hard pass from me. Even $1 million retained to put his salary at $4 million, all of a sudden that contract is good value for an offensive center/winger. However, there is still 4 years on that deal, so if there's any drop off, it could become an albatross.
I think Johnson fills a need, but there might be better options out there to go for. If those don't work out, circle back to Johnson and see if there's a deal to be made.
Mangiapane with Bennett and Dube would make for a relentless line. Johnson’s skating and passing might be a great fit on the Backlund line.
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It's an exceptional case when a 30+ forward is able to maintain their career average ppg for any length of time. I give it a 20% chance that he plays well enough to give good value on his remaining contract.
Imagine Tyler Johnson was a UFA, and the Flames were about to give him a $5Mx3 deal this summer. What would you think about that deal? For me, I would say, "okay, that's not a crazy overpay. But it does have some risk associated with it, because there's a non-zero chance that he's just not a $5M player anymore at all, much less for 3 years. So it's a gamble to give him that money".
But we're not in a UFA situation. In this situation, not only do you have to take on the risk of that $5Mx3 deal, but you have to give something to Tampa for the privilege of taking on that risk. If it's a 7th rounder, or future considerations, maybe that's okay, because those have little to no value. But Tampa got a first rounder + from the Canucks for Miller last year. Do you really think they're expecting less than a 3rd for Johnson? I don't.
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Johnson's stats aren't impressive for someone that gets favourable offensive zone starts, and sees regular playing time with Point/Kucherov.
Combine that with him being small, on the wrong side of 30, and having an NTC; nothing about his contract is attractive unless Tampa retains 40% of it
Also, anyone suggesting that he would slot ahead of Backlund at center is crazy. Backlund gets the same amount of points while facing the heavy defensive matchups.
