2020 off-season - what now?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Why? I'm not sure he's done well enough to earn job security through this.

They just extended him. I think he's gets more runway and a chance to retool this thing.

He's gotta get a real coach though. I mean jesus anyways.

But I really don't care who's in the big seat, just as long as they get a real coach, quit making stupid mistakes and build a winner for once.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Nammer403

Real coach

And before the draft.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Why? I'm not sure he's done well enough to earn job security through this.

Treliving has done a terrible job at fixing problems with this team

People think he is a good GM because he is cautious and patient, but whenever he tries to fix a problem he makes the team worse. He is not a good evaluator of coaches or talent


He will bring in another Gulutzan, Brian Elliot, and Troy Brouwer to try and fix things and trade away a ton of picks

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by neo45

This is when you bring in a new GM

Worst possible time to keep Treliving. He is desperate and that is when GM’s start to throw money around at UFA’s (which he is terrible at) and trade picks for quick fix players (which he is also terrible at)

Treliving as GM will fail on another coaching hire, trade more picks for players, and try to fix holes with more UFA’s that will end up as buyouts

It’s the right time to move on

this exactly.

You move on from a GM before they start job-saving moves.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Babcock

No thanks.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Most rebuilds fail, this on has. no no.1 D, no no.1 center, no truly elite player. Time to rebuild, blow it the #### up, keep the young guys. This core doesn’t fuel me with any optimism as a fan. I really stopped caring after last playoffs, this just kind of confirms that. They can keep spinning their wheels but no one is gonna keep buying in to this team.

Yes, we have nothing to lose at this point by going for the rebuild.

[Vinny01]

Seismic changes are coming.

Core players are being traded. I could see Monahan and Gaudreau being traded in separate deals this offseason. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Hanifin dangled as well. I doubt they trade Gio but it would be something I think they consider

Coach. I think it is 60-40 they keep Ward. He is signed for next year and the team was better under him and they seem to be cheap when it comes to coaches

Goalies. I think Rittich is done as a Flame. Talbot is likely a plan B scenario but I hope the Flames are going to try and get a reliable number 1. While Talbot won the team games he crumbled when they needed him the most.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by neo45

Treliving has done a terrible job at fixing problems with this team

People think he is a good GM because he is cautious and patient, but whenever he tries to fix a problem he makes the team worse. He is not a good evaluator of coaches or talent


He will bring in another Gulutzan, Brian Elliot, and Troy Brouwer to try and fix things and trade away a ton of picks

Maybe he can find another 0.5 PPG forward to waive.

[neo45]

Ward coached the team at a 100 point pace and won a play-in round

It’s not unfathomable that he comes back next year.

You just can’t show up next season with the same core after the last two playoffs

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by neo45

Treliving has done a terrible job at fixing problems with this team

People think he is a good GM because he is cautious and patient, but whenever he tries to fix a problem he makes the team worse. He is not a good evaluator of coaches or talent


He will bring in another Gulutzan, Brian Elliot, and Troy Brouwer to try and fix things and trade away a ton of picks

The last time the Flames failed miserably and missed the playoffs he made a ton of changes and they won the west. I don’t blame him for not making a ton of changes after the Colorado series because of the RFA situation and how well the team played that year.

It is clear he will be making big changes this offseason and is not afraid to make a blockbuster deal

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There are two elite UFA goalies...throw money at them

One of my fears about this off season is that the Flames sign Braden Holtby. Let someone else over play him. Sign Lenher or trade for a goalie.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The last time the Flames failed miserably and missed the playoffs he made a ton of changes and they won the west. I don’t blame him for not making a ton of changes after the Colorado series because of the RFA situation and how well the team played that year.

It is clear he will be making big changes this offseason and is not afraid to make a blockbuster deal

And this should terrify everyone

A desperate GM with a bad track record making massive changes when nothing he has tried has worked out. It’s a recipe for disaster

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by neo45

Treliving has done a terrible job at fixing problems with this team

People think he is a good GM because he is cautious and patient, but whenever he tries to fix a problem he makes the team worse. He is not a good evaluator of coaches or talent


He will bring in another Gulutzan, Brian Elliot, and Troy Brouwer to try and fix things and trade away a ton of picks

I agree with you on the coaching. I think Treliving has good elements to his GM'ing but I've been arguing for a long time that his inability to land a real quality head coach has been a disaster. I think I was even saying this during Gulutzan.

I also think...and its unfortunate because we all would have done the same thing..that he went all in on the Monahan/Gaudreau core to build around for the top line. And it ultimately didn't work. That might not be completely his fault but the architect has to take significant blame when his building comes down.

[Bunk]

For sure keep:

Tkachuk
Lindholm
Andersson
Valimaki
Dube
Mangiapane

An option for trading (at least 2 or 3 of the following for either re-build or re-tool):

Gaudreau
Monahan
Backlund
Bennett
Giordano
Hanifin
Kylington
Lucic (however unlikely)

[Macho0978]

The Flames have too many young players with good contracts to think they can't retool.

They need to committ this summer to adding picks and prospects. Trade Gaudreau and don't spend at all this summer. Maybe even spend well under the cap for once and go young and see who steps up. Good chance you get a top 10 pick and maybe win the lottery

This approach might convince gio and backlund to waive ntc at deadline.

I'd like to see 2 drafted firsts this draft one in top 10 and 3 next year one in top 10.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Treliving ain't going anywhere.

This is extremely depressing.

[Aarongavey]

I think the Flames will bring in Greg Gilbert to coach the team.

Brodie will be too expensive so we will trade for former Hitman Karl Alzner to take his place.

Up front there will be a little tinkering and Patrick Marleau will finally become a Flames, signing a two year deal to provide some veteran leadership.

[SeanCharles]

Now that I’ve calmed down a bit, for me:

- Bring in a legitimate coach
- Keep guys like Dube, Bennett, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Lindholm (I know he struggled but I’m not ready to throw him away), Andersson, Välimäki, Hanifin, Kylington (I want to see what he can do if given a bit of a leash), Mackey
- Aquire a legit goalie
- Make some trades that reshape this team

[Ashasx]

I think it might be extremely difficult unfortunately to rebuild because of the stagnant salary cap situation right now. Not many teams can take on contracts.

[Jagermeister]

I don't know a lot about coaching but whatever defensive system the Flames play doesn't look good at all. Maybe it's on the players making poor decisions but man all season they always looked so shaky and vulnerable in their own end