[News] UPD: Rieder clears, appears to be staying in Calgary

[1_Flames_Fan]

Good move, hope someone comes up and takes advantage of the opportunity. Not expecting much with Quine.

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[GreenLantern2814]

I am all for separating Monahan and Gaudreau for a while. I am all for giving Lindholm a shot at centre, especially centering Gaudreau.

They can't saddle Monahan with Mangiapane/Bennett/Junk for long. Rather than have either Johnny or Matthew playing on their off-wing, I'd like to see Tkachuk and Monahan get an extended look together. Backlund always talks about how Tkachuk drags him into the fray - playing with Tkachuk will put Monahan in situations that he just never has to face with Johnny, and he'll be stronger and wiser for it.


Johnny-Lindholm-X
Tkachuk-Monahan-X
Lucic-Backlund-Frolik
X-Ryan-X

As a group, the centres are too passive, but that looks like something worth trying.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Lines:
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau
Quine-Monahan-Bennett
Lucic-Backlund-Frolik
Mangiapane-Jankowski-Ryan

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Kylington-Andersson
Stone

Rittich
Talbot

Good lord this team is a mess.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Lou is talking about the Flames needing to play with more fire (pun intended?) and passion. Sounds like they need someone to drag them into a battle.

Zac Rinaldo, come on down.

And before we roll our eyes about how Lucic was supposed to be that guy. Lucic is reactive. Rinaldo is proactive.

Just a thought. Maybe an awful one.

I feel like I just wrote something like this...

found it:

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Uhm, cycle the puck?

Hustle, hard work, moxie, grit, jam. Dragging your teammates into being emotionally invested in games. 11 goals.

Hathaway was part of the competitive heart beat of the team last year. Reider doesn't replace any of that.

I wouldn't have signed hathaway to a 4 year deal, but Reider brings basically nothing that Hathaway brought last year.

[Poe969]

Those bottom 3 lines look bad. The team needs to get a top tier RW somehow because they just don't have the depth to be considered good enough.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Lou is talking about the Flames needing to play with more fire (pun intended?) and passion. Sounds like they need someone to drag them into a battle.

Zac Rinaldo, come on down.

And before we roll our eyes about how Lucic was supposed to be that guy. Lucic is reactive. Rinaldo is proactive.

Just a thought. Maybe an awful one.

I was thinking to myself after the Jets game someone like Rinaldo on the 4th line would be perfect right now. Chucky makes an excellent #### disturber but we’d rather have him scoring. Someone like Rinaldo cooking up and stirring things up to drag everyone else in is just what we need. And if he fights or sits in the box it’s not as much of a hit to the team as if Chucky does. Considering we have 5 4th liners cycling our bottom 6 already it’s not like we’d be losing any skill or worse off by giving it a try.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

I’m still think maybe Tre should have pulled the trigger on Mark Stone trade. Now hindsight is 20/20 and it’s hard with Valimaki hurt, but he would be perfect for this team. With that said Valimaki could come back the last part of this season and look awesome and cheap. Also Pelletier is looking like a sweet prospect so I don’t know ��

[Iceman90]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Rieder = Lazar

Except we didn't cough up a second round pick for Rieder.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

I’m still think maybe Tre should have pulled the trigger on Mark Stone trade. Now hindsight is 20/20 and it’s hard with Valimaki hurt, but he would be perfect for this team. With that said Valimaki could come back the last part of this season and look awesome and cheap. Also Pelletier is looking like a sweet prospect so I don’t know ��

Valimaki will have to look like a top 10 defender to justify not doing that deal IMO.

Mark Stone has 16 points in 13 games this year FYI.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I am all for separating Monahan and Gaudreau for a while. I am all for giving Lindholm a shot at centre, especially centering Gaudreau.

They can't saddle Monahan with Mangiapane/Bennett/Junk for long. Rather than have either Johnny or Matthew playing on their off-wing, I'd like to see Tkachuk and Monahan get an extended look together. Backlund always talks about how Tkachuk drags him into the fray - playing with Tkachuk will put Monahan in situations that he just never has to face with Johnny, and he'll be stronger and wiser for it.


Johnny-Lindholm-X
Tkachuk-Monahan-X
Lucic-Backlund-Frolik
X-Ryan-X

As a group, the centres are too passive, but that looks like something worth trying.

Agree that this helps short term - but longer term I think Johnny/Monahan together is the play. That's still our best playmaker with historically our best finisher, and we shouldn't let 12 games overlook the 5 seasons of production together.

Johnny - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Czarnik
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapane - Ryan - Lucic
Jankowski

Three of those are pairings of guys that have proven chemistry in the past. Then the only new pairing is Tkachuk + Lindholm which should be a good mix of offensive talent, tenacity, and defensive responsibility.

Personally I liked Dube on the top line in his two games there in the preseason. I think that his speed really helps out Monahan, since skating is a weakness for him.

Really though in the end we need to get another top 6 RW (top 9 even) if we plan on moving Lindholm to center.

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

I’m still think maybe Tre should have pulled the trigger on Mark Stone trade. Now hindsight is 20/20 and it’s hard with Valimaki hurt, but he would be perfect for this team. With that said Valimaki could come back the last part of this season and look awesome and cheap. Also Pelletier is looking like a sweet prospect so I don’t know ��

Still not sure how we are fitting Stone and his $9.5M contract into this team's salary structure.

Look at Toronto as an example too...good luck trying to get Tkachuk to take a discount at $7M when you gave a guy that he got more goals and points then last year $9.5M.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Valimaki will have to look like a top 10 defender to justify not doing that deal IMO.

Mark Stone has 16 points in 13 games this year FYI.

Again but there's a lot of assumptions here
- That the Sens liked Valimaki just as much as Brannstrom and would have made the same deal with the Flames
- That Stone would have re-signed with the Flames for the same amount
- That the Flames could have created the cap space to allow that to happen.

I'm not sure why people think it's a magical "the Flames should have done it" just because Vegas was able to.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

At least he scored a goal....

Only 19 more, and we’re in the playoffs.


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[Toonage]

I thought the Sens wanted Valimaki & Andersson?

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I thought the Sens wanted Valimaki & Andersson?

If that’s the case then I don’t blame Tre at all, unless it was either Valimaki or Anderson plus a 1st, I don’t know

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again but there's a lot of assumptions here
- That the Sens liked Valimaki just as much as Brannstrom and would have made the same deal with the Flames
- That Stone would have re-signed with the Flames for the same amount
- That the Flames could have created the cap space to allow that to happen.

I'm not sure why people think it's a magical "the Flames should have done it" just because Vegas was able to.

The Flames AGM went on television and said they thought they had the deal done Saturday night.

Not only did the Flames think they could or should do it, they thought they had done it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I thought the Sens wanted Valimaki & Andersson?

It's was definitely more than just Vali and who knows on the contract likely more money than Vegas.

People need to stop talking like we would just have Stone now and not lose anything else off the roster

[mrdonkey]

It seems to be a developing pattern in Treliving’s big moves. He gets to the finish line and then trips over his shoelaces.

One can make the case that it’s not his fault, but when it happens FOUR TIMES you have to start wondering if there’s a common denominator here. At what point does it stop being appropriate to keep placing all of the blame on the other party and start questioning “the process”?

[bax]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

It seems to be a developing pattern in Treliving’s big moves. He gets to the finish line and then trips over his shoelaces.

One can make the case that it’s not his fault, but when it happens FOUR TIMES you have to start wondering if there’s a common denominator here. At what point does it stop being appropriate to keep placing all of the blame on the other party and start questioning “the process”?

It's tough to say when we can only go off of speculation why various trades fell through.

Kadri trade was nixed by Kadri himself, so can't blame Treliving there.

Zucker trade ended up being some type of clerical issue I remember Russo reporting? Maybe, I'm wrong here, but seems like that could have been on either end. I would guess Fenton's end since he proved how inept he was by only making it 11 months on the job.

Stone trade is tough. We know the Flames thought they had a deal, and then all of a sudden they didn't. It makes me think a deal was in place, Vegas upped their offer to include Brannstrom and then Ottawa went back to Calgary, but Treliving wasn't willing to include Valimaki.

Stone and Mcrimmon's relationship goes all the way back to junior too. I bet it was much easier getting him signed then it would have been in Calgary. For all we know Calgary was operating under the impression that Stone would be a rental and that's it. Creating 9-10 million in cap space would have been tough.

I'm not sure what the 4th trade is that you referencing. Fact is, there are probably tons of trades that get close to happening, but fall through that we never even hear about. It's the nature of the job.

He has also pulled off quite a few big name trades as well. Hamilton, Lindholm, Hanifin, Lucic, Hamonic.

I do like the way Treliving operates though and am happy to have him as the GM. Definitely the best GM we've had since I became a fan.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by bax

It's tough to say when we can only go off of speculation why various trades fell through.



Kadri trade was nixed by Kadri himself, so can't blame Treliving there.



Zucker trade ended up being some type of clerical issue I remember Russo reporting? Maybe, I'm wrong here, but seems like that could have been on either end. I would guess Fenton's end since he proved how inept he was by only making it 11 months on the job.



Stone trade is tough. We know the Flames thought they had a deal, and then all of a sudden they didn't. It makes me think a deal was in place, Vegas upped their offer to include Brannstrom and then Ottawa went back to Calgary, but Treliving wasn't willing to include Valimaki.



Stone and Mcrimmon's relationship goes all the way back to junior too. I bet it was much easier getting him signed then it would have been in Calgary. For all we know Calgary was operating under the impression that Stone would be a rental and that's it. Creating 9-10 million in cap space would have been tough.



I'm not sure what the 4th trade is that you referencing. Fact is, there are probably tons of trades that get close to happening, but fall through that we never even hear about. It's the nature of the job.



He has also pulled off quite a few big name trades as well. Hamilton, Lindholm, Hanifin, Lucic, Hamonic.



I do like the way Treliving operates though and am happy to have him as the GM. Definitely the best GM we've had since I became a fan.

Fourth trade is Ben Bishop.

I also have to give a big fat LOL at including Lucic in “big name trades.”

[ricardodw]

Try explaining why Jankowski wasn't waived.

11 games 10:53/game 7 sog -7 and 2 hits.

This is from a guy that is 6-4 220 and skates well and supposed to be close to being a top-6 player or at least a strong #3C.