[Signing] Flames sign Tobias Rieder (1 yr, 2-way, $700k AAV)

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I like him, but honestly I wouldn't be upset if Quine keeps llaying well and sticks over Reider

I made the comment in another thread that I like Quine better-he's better with the puck, can make plays, and is more capable of creating offence.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Rieder's very fast, and we don't have a lot of pure speed guys on this team. He can cycle the puck a little, and can bury his chances now and then.

He is a very good penalty killer, so when he does get in the lineup he can spell guys like Lindholm and Backlund a little more.

He's basically Hathaway without the physical play.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Rieder's very fast, and we don't have a lot of pure speed guys on this team. He can cycle the puck a little, and can bury his chances now and then.

He is a very good penalty killer, so when he does get in the lineup he can spell guys like Lindholm and Backlund a little more.

He's basically Hathaway without the physical play.

His last goal was in April 2018 with LA, He works hard and I agree he's good on the PK but he needs to chip in on his chances every once in a while or he's gone.

And he should be

[Flash Walken]

The team would be better with Dube than Reider imo.

Not even close, actually.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The team would be better with Dube than Reider imo.

Not even close, actually.

Dube hasn't really played all that great when he is called up though. Feel like he is too good for the AHL though.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Rieder's very fast, and we don't have a lot of pure speed guys on this team. He can cycle the puck a little, and can bury his chances now and then.

He is a very good penalty killer, so when he does get in the lineup he can spell guys like Lindholm and Backlund a little more.

He's basically Hathaway without the physical play.

What?

No.

What?

'Without the physical play'. That's 75% of what Hathaway brings and it's obviously in short supply this year in Calgary.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The team would be better with Dube than Reider imo.

Not even close, actually.

Disagree with this. Dube isn't going to kill penalties and play on the 4th line. That's the reason why he is in the minors right now.

When Dube comes up he will be given an opportunity on the third line. The even strength difference between Rieder and Dube on the 4th line is negligible. Rieder has the spot for now because he is a good option on the PK.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bax

Disagree with this. Dube isn't going to kill penalties and play on the 4th line. That's the reason why he is in the minors right now.

When Dube comes up he will be given an opportunity on the third line. The even strength difference between Rieder and Dube on the 4th line is negligible. Rieder has the spot for now because he is a good option on the PK.

And Dube seems to need some more farm time, unless he is one of those rare guys who's better in the NHL than on the farm. He's off to a kind of mediocre start down there. And I'm a Dube supporter.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by bax

Disagree with this. Dube isn't going to kill penalties and play on the 4th line. That's the reason why he is in the minors right now.

When Dube comes up he will be given an opportunity on the third line. The even strength difference between Rieder and Dube on the 4th line is negligible. Rieder has the spot for now because he is a good option on the PK.

I think the reason Dube is in the AHL right now is because he makes $78000 more than Reider and $50000 more than Quine.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What?

No.

What?

'Without the physical play'. That's 75% of what Hathaway brings and it's obviously in short supply this year in Calgary.

Okay, I disagree. Hathaway was a good energy player who was actually pretty fast (not Rieder fast, but able to get up and down pretty quickly). He was also a great penalty killer, and his absence on the pairing is one of the reasons Jankowski has struggled on the PK this year. Hathaway was also decent at cycling the puck, but no better than Rieder.

Yes, Hathaway delivered the big hit now and then, but it wasn't his sole effectiveness out there. There's a reason he was signed by another team to term and there's also reasons why he's had some success early in the year with Washington.

He was just out of our price range with the Tkachuk cap crunch. A casualty of the cap for sure, but one you have to be willing to replace with guys like Rieder on league minimum contracts. I'm totally okay with how everything worked out. Rieder is a solid replacement for what Hathaway brought.

[Bingo]

A PTO walk on making league minimum ... he's been solid.

The guy has limited minutes so you have to take numbers with a grain of salt, but he's playing that Derek Ryan nothing happens when he's on the ice type of game (he and Jankowski both of late actually) and that's great for a fourth line guy or healthy scratch guy.

I see Dube as the better player, but I don't think Dube is the better player for the fourth line right now at all.

Reider is solid.

2nd in CF%
7th in shot splits
2nd in xGF%
1st in HD splits

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Okay, I disagree. Hathaway was a good energy player who was actually pretty fast (not Rieder fast, but able to get up and down pretty quickly). He was also a great penalty killer, and his absence on the pairing is one of the reasons Jankowski has struggled on the PK this year. Hathaway was also decent at cycling the puck, but no better than Rieder.

Yes, Hathaway delivered the big hit now and then, but it wasn't his sole effectiveness out there. There's a reason he was signed by another team to term and there's also reasons why he's had some success early in the year with Washington.

He was just our of our price range with the Tkachuk cap crunch. A casualty of the cap for sure, but one you have to be willing to replace with guys like Rieder on league minimum contracts. I'm totally okay with how everything worked out. Rieder is a solid replacement for what Hathaway brought.

Uhm, cycle the puck?

Hustle, hard work, moxie, grit, jam. Dragging your teammates into being emotionally invested in games. 11 goals.

Hathaway was part of the competitive heart beat of the team last year. Reider doesn't replace any of that.

I wouldn't have signed hathaway to a 4 year deal, but Reider brings basically nothing that Hathaway brought last year.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A PTO walk on making league minimum ... he's been solid.

The guy has limited minutes so you have to take numbers with a grain of salt, but he's playing that Derek Ryan nothing happens when he's on the ice type of game (he and Jankowski both of late actually) and that's great for a fourth line guy or healthy scratch guy.

I see Dube as the better player, but I don't think Dube is the better player for the fourth line right now at all.

Reider is solid.

2nd in CF%
7th in shot splits
2nd in xGF%
1st in HD splits

He really is a great bottom line player. He tilts the ice with his speed and competitiveness.

He has stone hands and too much perimeter, work, but hey, if he had those tools, he would be an easy top 6 guy making millions.

Wont show up in the scoresheet a lot, but he is a positive driver in keeping the puck in the right direction and keeping low volume directed on the Flames. His job is to get the bigger guys more offensive zone faceoffs and rest without creating a deficit.

He's doing that job to perfection, and at a league minimum to boot. All about slot allocation...Edmonton missed the boat big time on expectations and role for him.

[brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And Dube seems to need some more farm time, unless he is one of those rare guys who's better in the NHL than on the farm. He's off to a kind of mediocre start down there. And I'm a Dube supporter.

After a slow start on the road, Dillon has 6 pts (all assists) in the last 4 games for a 1.0 ppg.. without having seen too much, there seems to be an emphasis on support and solid 2 way play rather than offensive output. Seems like he's being crafted for the long haul, just my .02

He's not better in the NHL than the farm, but he needs meaningful minutes and situations up here. His first 20 games up here showed a lot, think of how many good chances he had before he got that first goal, but growth was necessary, both physical and mental

[CroFlames]

The only problem with Hathaway is his contract. Caps overpaid.

If the Flames could get him at 2 years, he would have been a welcome member of the 4th.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The only problem with Hathaway is his contract. Caps overpaid.

If the Flames could get him at 2 years, he would have been a welcome member of the 4th.

Exactly ... a luxury they can't afford. You have to keep your fourth line as cheap as possible.

[genetic_phreek]

Dube or Gawdin I'd prefer over Rieder. You can make an argument for Rieder because of his salary, I'm not hung up on that, for me it's more of the opportunity for the younger guys. Gawdin can use NHL development and he's shown that he's pretty decent in the preseason where as Rieder is what he is.

We're not asking for Rieder to be a goal scorer but at the same time, just because you make league minimum and is a 12th/13th forward doesn't mean you just skate circles wasting time. This is why Hathaway was great as a 4th liner, he'll hit everyone, fore-check like a madman, block shots, and create "energy/momentum" for the next line that comes on the ice.

In regards to Rieder being on the PK, who's to say we can't get other guys to contribute in this area. There's 12 forwards to choose from.

I love players with speed, that's my number one asset I look for in any player. I was actually excited to have Rieder on the team and prove that he's better than what those up north no gooders think he is, but truthfully he's been underwhelming. Rieder is just there, paid league minimum and doing the minimum. I just don't see any contribution. As bad as Janko has been and I'd be glad if he was gone too, at least he's winning faceoffs.

Just my opinion.

[GranteedEV]

Rieder's a wierd case. He's regularily out there when the team is creating havoc on the cycle or forecheck... yet it's always a linemate of his - Mangiapane, or in the previous game Quine, etc, that really draws my attention.

I'll watch him more carefully tonight but I suspect Quine is the guy we should have kept up over him.

As for Hathaway, he is what he is. An extremely solid 12th forward. Do I miss him a little? Sure. Will the team miss him the way they still miss Ferland or Byron? Nah. Whether it's Quine or Phillips or Dube or Tuulola or Gawdin or Zavgorodniy or some wierd combination of callups, it won't be long before we find some bottom six lines with chemistry. I actually still think Hathaway's shooting percentage last year was a mirage despite a hot start this year - so I'm glad we're not paying him to recreate last year's goal scoring.

[AC]

Rieder doesn't seem to have the shot necessary to score, but he also appears to deflect every shot that comes near him. That should be the focus when he's out there... putting him near the net and shooting for tips.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Exactly ... a luxury they can't afford. You have to keep your fourth line as cheap as possible.

Except that the Flame's fourth line has a cap hit of over $11 million:

Milan Lucic - Mark Jankowski - Michael Frolik