[confirmed] Flames will go after Derek Ryan in FA

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly what role would a Derek Ryan provide for our lineup?

(genuine question, not sarcasm)

Versteeg replacement? Bottom 6 C/RW depth?

IMO, we need a top 6 guy, not a bottom 6 guy.

Flames are more desperate to fill their Bottom 6 at this point than their top 6.

Anything that pushes Lazar and Hathaway out of the lineup is a net positive.

to re-iterate, Lazar scored just 2 goals in 65 games last year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I maybe the minority here but I am tired of these signings for the bottom 6. Let the young guys finally take the ball and run with it. Year after year we see the same type of signing and it always fails.

Do we not agree that the bottom 6 was a big problem with the Flames last year? Seems like adding guys who have produced in that role is a good thing.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Anyone else a little wary of the influx of Bill Peters players already? This guy seems to have Treliving's ear a bit more than I'd prefer.

I don't think lindholm is a Peters guy judging by twitter and the way he had to move around constantly in the lineup last few years.

I think Ryan is fine, but don't want to see an overpay

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't disagree with your conclusion on Ryan, but I don't think its particularly relevant that the Flames may bring in 3 players from another team that isn't particularly good.

The Flames weren't good last year, but has a pretty good group of very good players.

Yeah, what if the Flames acquired ROR, Risto and Reinhart from Buffalo. Would people say "meh - they are from a crap team".

[Machiavelli]

I hope he chooses elsewhere

[868904]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, what if the Flames acquired ROR, Risto and Reinhart from Buffalo. Would people say "meh - they are from a crap team".

What if the Flames acquired McDavid?

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by devo22

which RH center who's good on FOs and scored 15/38 last year do we have? He'd be a solid depth addition that can play in the middle six.

The answer to your question is Elias Lindholm. I would prefer to see Lindholm carry on at C and fill the top line with Tkachuk. That leaves plenty of C for the remaining lines.

Bennett had similar numbers as Ryan last year on an extremely down year.
Jankowski could fill that void as he had more goals and saw much less ice time (11:30)

Ryan averages 15 minutes per game over the last 2 seasons at 57%


Outside of the clear #1 in Sean Monahan the flames have a few options depending on what line you slot Ryan in at.

Mikael Backlund 50%
Sam Bennett 54%
Mark Jankowski 49%
Matt Stajan 52%
Nick Shore 45%
Curtis Lazar (R) 40%
Elias Lingholm (R) 55%

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do we not agree that the bottom 6 was a big problem with the Flames last year? Seems like adding guys who have produced in that role is a good thing.

Yeah, but last year there were a bunch of older guys in the bottom 6. Not young guys like the poster was referring to. Stajan, Brouwer, Versteeg etc.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I hope he chooses elsewhere

I can't imagine why.

Big Lomberg fan?

[Wood]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I maybe the minority here but I am tired of these signings for the bottom 6. Let the young guys finally take the ball and run with it. Year after year we see the same type of signing and it always fails.

I agree that I'd rather see young guys take bottom 6 spots. Problem is, none have been good enough

Poirer had his chance and was never good enough. Lazar, Hathaway, Lomberg, F. Hamilton, Mangiapane and Klimchuk were all not good enough and need to be improved on if we're going to be a playoff team

Jankowski took his shot and showed he's NHL calibre. Foo looked good and I hope he makes the bottom 6. Klimchuk and Mangiapane will get their chance

I'm good with bringing in Ryan because the entire bottom 6 needs improvement, and Ryan alone scored more goals than all of Stajan, Hathaway, Lazar, F. Hamilton, Glass, Jagr, Hrivik, Shore, Stewart, Klimchuk and Lomberg COMBINED

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Royle9

35+ point RHS versatile player who can play up and down the lineup but managed to get those points playing primarily 3rd/4th line.

Top 10 faceoff guy in the league

I think he's a perfect 4th line center/3rd maybe depending on what we end up with.

There is no reason he should be leapfrogging a guy like Jankowski or eating into his ice time at all. Ryan has been logging over 2 min of pp a time a game under Peters and also played over 15 min a game.....There is no reason he should ever see that kind of usage again given the depth down the middle we have.

If you want to bring him in as a safety net and a guy who can win some draws, that's fine. But his numbers are going to fall along with his ice time and based on this alone, his value shouldn't be much more than a 1.5 AAV for 2 years for the Flames.

[etc]

Would be nice to get players/staff from teams that were actually good at one point.

[Roof-Daddy]

Worst bottom six forward group in the league last year.

Flames look to add a bottom six C who scored 15 goals and 38 points last year, won 56% of his face offs, is a right hand shot (bonus), can skate really well and has good underlying possession stats.

Flames fans: Why are we trying to sign this guy?

Uh, maybe so we don't have to suffer through another year of Lomberg, Hathaway, Stajan, Brouwer and Lazar types fumbling through another season of NOT scoring any goals tohelp the team win maybe?

Just a guess.

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lindholm I suppose is that guy although he scores less than the outgoing Ferland. It does appear that this team is going to be offensively challenged once again next season.

Why do people say Ferland scores more than Lindholm? Ferland is getting 20 goals every year now? Doubtful.

I mean sure if you only look at goals last year yes Ferland had 21 to Lindholm's 16.

Lindholm has had more points than Ferland every single year, is 3 years younger, right hand shot. Ferland is a dime a dozen type player, crash and bang winger. Lindholm is a top 6 forward, and projects to be a pretty good one.

Surely nobody in the hockey world expects Ferland to outscore Lindholm going forward.

[Vinny01]

Flames need to do more this summer than acquire 3 Hurricanes players and their coach.

I am okay with the 3 players but more needs to be done

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I don't think lindholm is a Peters guy judging by twitter and the way he had to move around constantly in the lineup last few years.

The impression I get is that Peters likes Lindholm quite a bit but its the player that was irked by constantly jumping around the lineup. He wanted more stability, consistency.

So really a coach being a coach and a player being a player. They'll be fine here.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do we not agree that the bottom 6 was a big problem with the Flames last year? Seems like adding guys who have produced in that role is a good thing.

So the solution is to bring in another 30+ year old vet like Brouwer who they already pay $4.5 million to score 6 goals? This guy is going to get overpaid and I would prefer they get a legit top 6 guy that bumps another player from the current top 6 to bottom six to address that issue rather than overpay for bottom six talent.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do we not agree that the bottom 6 was a big problem with the Flames last year? Seems like adding guys who have produced in that role is a good thing.

Bottom 6 of Stajan, Brouwer, Versteeg, Glass, etc wasn't going to them anywhere. Flames need to have a quick young bottom 6 this year and if Brouwer is staying he should be the only slow old one.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Worst bottom six forward group in the league last year.

Flames look to add a bottom six C who scored 15 goals and 38 points last year, won 56% of his face offs, is a right hand shot (bonus), can skate really well and has good underlying possession stats.

Flames fans: Why are we trying to sign this guy?

Uh, maybe so we don't have to suffer through another year of Lomberg, Hathaway, Stajan, Brouwer and Lazar types fumbling through another season of NOT scoring any goals tohelp the team win maybe?

Just a guess.

Yeah - especially since he's probably only going to command something like 2 years at $2.5M per year.

Another RH shot for the second PP unit as well.

I'd have no issue with them signing him as extra depth.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So the solution is to bring in another 30+ year old vet like Brouwer who they already pay $4.5 million to score 6 goals? This guy is going to get overpaid and I would prefer they get a legit top 6 guy that bumps another player from the current top 6 to bottom six to address that issue rather than overpay for bottom six talent.

Ryan and Brouwer have almost nothing in common.

Brouwer was a poison pill prior to his signing

Ryan drives the play forward and is a high end face-off guy.

Two completely different players.