Hart finalists, no McDavid

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by browna

You'll never guess who Staples picked.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...mpression=true.

That article is beyond embarrassing.

[Huntingwhale]

McDavid shouldn't have been on the Hart list. But he should definitely win the Lindsay for his play this season.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by getbak

It looks like 1993-94.

Gretzky won the Art Ross and didn't receive a single vote for the Hart (according to this: https://www.hockey-reference.com/awa...ting-1994.html).

The Rocket Richard Trophy didn't exist yet, but if it had, Bure would have won it. He only received 2 votes for the Hart.

Apparently Jamie Benn finished 12th in voting for the Hart the year that he won the Art Ross (2015)? That seems insane. I remember Price winning it but I didn't remember Benn not being a finalist. But at least that year the RR winner was a finalist (Ovi).

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by browna

You'll never guess who Staples picked.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...mpression=true

I'm not sure that he realizes that the Art Ross trophy exists. His whole defence is that points by default equates to MVP.

I will say - McDavid is exceedingly valuable to their team. He is their only hope to make any noise in the regular season, and we all know they are dead in the water if he suffers an early season-ending injury. So sure, relative to his piss-poor teammates, he's valuable to their team. But everyone recognizes that you don't win the MVP just because your teammates suck. You win it out of leadership, determination, and effort that raises your team to a new level - not just your stat line.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browna

You'll never guess who Staples picked.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...mpression=true...

Is there another NHL fanbase or local media cabal that overuses the word "superstar" than in Edmonton?

[iloveicedhockey]

It's funny how he didn't factor TOI into any of his stats, isn't it? Of the top 6, mcd is last in points per minute ice time (though he is top even strength p/min). If the oilers didn't ride him so hard he'd have limped into the top ten scoring. Surprised he didn't quote points whilst deathly sick as a stat too.

Also, I imagine those who nominate have to consider where the team would be without the respective players. While it's all guesswork, I'd say the avs would've been closer to basement again without Mackinnon, same with the devils. The oilers? They would've been a few spots lower? To go back to my early 90s diction, 'big whoop'.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Apparently Jamie Benn finished 12th in voting for the Hart the year that he won the Art Ross (2015)? That seems insane. I remember Price winning it but I didn't remember Benn not being a finalist. But at least that year the RR winner was a finalist (Ovi).

That season's points race was very similar to this year's where there wasn't one runaway winner from the beginning of the season. Benn made a big run at the end of the season after Dallas was effectively eliminated (similar to McDavid this year).

Benn had 10 points in his final 3 games that year (and 16 in his final 7 games) to pull ahead of Tavares and Crosby on the last day of the season.

At the trade deadline that year, Dallas was the 3rd worst team in the West and Benn was 10th overall in points. They made a push over the final month and a half and moved up a couple of spots, but they still were well back of a playoff spot.


That's very similar to the Oilers and McDavid this year.

At the trade deadline this year, the Oilers were the 3rd worst team in the West and McDavid was 3rd overall in points (8 points back of Kucherov). McDavid had 19 points in his final 10 games. The Oilers put together some wins down the stretch to make their end results look a little more respectable, but they were out of the playoff race by the All-Star break.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by browna

You'll never guess who Staples picked.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...mpression=true

If you ever find yourself embedding an image with this kind of quality editing:


you're writing a garbage article, and need to stop.


I would hope it's an unwritten rule that you don't make the list for Hart nominees if your team doesn't make the playoffs. This is determining the most valuable player on his team, sure - but your efforts are only relevant if your team was competitive. Putting pucks in the net still earns you a trophy, but being a terrible teams best player isn't something that gets rewarded.

[Philly06Cup]

Wow, people sure do love talking about McDavid on this forum. :S

[schteve_d]

Are they ever salty over at HF Oilers! Title of the thread is: McDavid snubbed as finalist for Hart. Plenty of McDavid being snubbed is a joke comments. A few surprisingly reasonable comments but most are just plain pissed. Love it!

[CaptainCrunch]

At the end of it all in the last quarter of the season, the Oilers game plan went from winning games to pretty much getting Conner the scoring title and Hart votes so that they could at least call something a success.

Now in the words of Darth Vader, their failure is now complete, this season was a complete waste of time for the oilers and their fans.

In the end they were punching bags again.

[You Need a Thneed]

If you want to be considered for the Hart having played on a non playoff team, you should probably have been a strong candidate for the Hart at the time your team was effectively eliminated from the playoffs.

Iginla in 01-02 lead the scoring race basically from wire to wire.

McDavid was something like 20th in scoring at the time the Oilers were effectively eliminated. That stat alone is EASILY enough to take McDavid out of any MVP talk. McDavid shouldn’t even be in the top ten.

[dino7c]

between this and the draft lottery its been a pretty good week

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Wow, people sure do love talking about McDavid on this forum. :S

Weird they barely mention Crosby on Flyers forums right?

[Darth Tkachuk]

McDavid should have been nominated. Imagine him loosing out to Hall in person at the awards ceremony, would have been epic! And imagine where the train wreck that is the Oilers would have finished without him. I give it 2-3 more years of typical Edmonton Oilers hockey before McDavid demands a trade. Kid is sensational, no denying it.

[McG]

I’m not sure if staples had a word limit but I’m extremely disappointed that he didn’t bring in the points per illness statistic.

[JD]

As long as the Hart Trophy definition remains ambiguous, as it currently is, there will be outrage. "The player player judged most valuable to his team". Occasionally these days, the stars align and the player with the most points also makes great contributions to a team's success. Pre-parity, it pretty much happened all the time. Most teams made the playoffs, thus most teams experienced regular season "success".

I figure they should redefine the award to the "player who makes the greatest contributions to his team's success" or something like that. It's more measureable, although some ambiguity resurfaces in comparing forwards to defencemen or goalies.

Anyway, 01/02 had me irked with Iginla falling just short, but I get it if you need the player to be on a playoff team to give him the vote. Good to see some consistency with that at least. In 03/04 Iginla probably deserved it even more than he did in 01/02, dragging the Flames to the playoffs with Kiprusof. But that year St. Louis had such a massive season and the Lightning were great.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by JD

As long as the Hart Trophy definition remains ambiguous, as it currently is, there will be outrage. "The player player judged most valuable to his team". Occasionally these days, the stars align and the player with the most points also makes great contributions to a team's success. Pre-parity, it pretty much happened all the time. Most teams made the playoffs, thus most teams experienced regular season "success".

I figure they should redefine the award to the "player who makes the greatest contributions to his team's success" or something like that. It's more measureable, although some ambiguity resurfaces in comparing forwards to defencemen or goalies.

Anyway, 01/02 had me irked with Iginla falling just short, but I get it if you need the player to be on a playoff team to give him the vote. Good to see some consistency with that at least. In 03/04 Iginla probably deserved it even more than he did in 01/02, dragging the Flames to the playoffs with Kiprusof. But that year St. Louis had such a massive season and the Lightning were great.

The 2002 slight to Iginla because the Flames didn’t make the playoffs has always irked me. Listening to Friedman describe his Hart Trophy votes the other day made it obvious that, in the minds of most of the voters, to be eligible, the player’s team has to make the playoffs. When it’s an individual player award, that is supposed to be based solely on pre-playoff season achievements, this makes no sense. Hockey’s a team game, and the team awards are the playoffs, the President’s Trophy and the Stanley Cup.

A previous poster pointed out that inconsistent seasonal play was a good reason why Jamie Benn didn’t get a lot of votes for the Hart in 2015, and maybe that arguement could be used for McDavid finishing out of the final 3. McDavid apologists will point to his mystery illness that apparently dragged him and the Oilers down at the start of the season, but the bottom line is that, when injury or illness decreases performance for a significant part of the season, that hurts the chances for an award - case in point: Giordano’s injury taking him out of the running for the Norris in 2015.

[jlh2640]

If iginla doesn’t win it with the year he has in 02. Bozo the clown up north doesn’t even deserve to be nominated. He wasn’t even dominating this year until that team was eliminated anyways.

[gt4flames]

In picking the most valuable player, NHL hockey writers and broadcasters got distracted by story, then swept away by drama. Who can blame them? They’re storytellers after all.

This quote is when I stopped reading that embarrassment of an article.

As a hockey writer, he pens a drama filled story in the Edmonton Journal (a credible Newspaper) knocking and discrediting hockey journalists for being "swept away by drama", "distracted by stories" and labels writers (in a negative way) "story tellers". All of this written as a tale to help himself and the Oiler fanbase swallow a pill to makes them feel vindicated about their saviour being upstaged (by a very deserving) performance from their former golden child...

Assuming that Mr. Staples was among the NHL Hockey Writers that got to cast a vote for the Hart Trophy...The irony is unbelievable. No credible journalist could ever be that stupid to not realize they are discrediting the same group of journalists that they are apart of and still have a leg to stand on Im curious about how is peers that work for other media sources view him after being called out in that article.

As an english major, I have a few questions for the editor that let that post-it note paper airplane fly over their head on its way to printing press.

An absolutely embarrassing exposé of journalism.