Hamilton for Trouba trade. Why not?

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Yes, I did. If you don't see a Justin Schultz in Dougie Hamilton, then I guess we're just on a different page here.

Normally good defensemen help the goalie in and around the crease area. Block shots... Russel is getting good reviews up in Edmonton, basically anchoring the defense up there.

Schultz isn't anywhere close to Hamilton, if you think they are comparable that is laughable.

If Russell is your anchor on the d-core something is terribly wrong, E=NG.

[Ashasx]

I think Winnipeg would jump at the opportunity if we offered Hamilton.

I think they're expecting picks and prospects, or older roster players for Trouba. I don't think Treliving would give in so easily. The Jets are in a bad position here.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by belsarius

TJ Brodie is over 24 mins a night, has 0 goals, 1 assist is -4 and has 6 less shots and 4 less hits. Oh and is handling the puck like a grenade right now. Lets run him out of town too!

Johnny only has 2 assists and is a -3! Better trade him!

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

This post confuses me.

Sorry i meant underrated*

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Yes, I did. If you don't see a Justin Schultz in Dougie Hamilton, then I guess we're just on a different page here.

Normally good defensemen help the goalie in and around the crease area. Block shots... Russel is getting good reviews up in Edmonton, basically anchoring the defense up there.

Russell has a team high 107.5 PDO. I don't even like the stat, but that is the definition of unsustainable.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Par

I don't know what the Jets would ask for(probably D.Hamilton+M.Tkachuk for Trouba, the ask is gigantic). If you could do get Trouba for D.Hamilton+1st Round pick(top15 protected), than you do it. But I don't think the Flames are going to trade Dougie, they just signed him to a long term contract.

lol

[Young_Guns]

If Trouba doesn't want to play in Winnipeg, what makes you think he would be willing to play in Calgary?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Par

I would not do that either but that is what the asking price is.

No it's not. Posters on CP do not ''define'' what the asking price is, as fans are always wrong when it comes to estimating a players' worth.

Clearly a few posters on this site have a mandate to make Hamilton the whipping boy. I refuse to buy in.

[Madman]

Remind me again why the thread ratings are turned off?

[FlamesFan68]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Yes, Dougie Hamilton was clearly the reason we missed playoffs. It couldn't possibly have been the league worst goaltending combined with terrible special teams.

Well sorry, but a former goalie by the name of Kelly Hrudey also made the claim the Flames essentially missed the playoffs last year because of the horrendous start by Hamilton. It was plain as day to me too.

Go ahead and think goaltending was the major problem. This team sent Ramo to the minors, and he was by far our best goalie. I also think Ramo is as good or better than Elliott or Johnston. Johnston I think has a bigger upside than all of them.

[SuperMatt18]

If the salaries were similar and the Jets added a small piece then maybe.

Hamilton is better offensively but Trouba provides more physicality and is a little better defensively.

In terms of how we build our defense long term we could probably use a d-man with Trouba's skill set more than Hamilton's skill set - especially if Kylington or Andersson pan out.

But I'm not sure I want to give up on the potential Hamilton has. He has been playing with more of an edge this year, and is getting better defensively. If he puts it all together his top end is higher than Trouba's IMO.

[Otto-matic]

Enoch Root nailed it.

Hamilton has been on the ice for 2 goals against this year. Two.

His defensive partner for both those goals: Grossmann.

Since the first period of the first game of the year, he has not been on the ice for a single goal against.

And we have a thread called 'The Woes of Dougie Hamilton'

This is why all of the Canadian teams suck: after every loss, after every penalty, after every mistake, after every goal against, fans are online, on the radio, on call-in shows yelling:

He sucks! Trade him! Fire the coach! The system sucks! The GM is over-rated! He's not ready to play C, put him on the wing!

Etc. etc.

Fans simply don't have the patience to allow teams to build and develop success.

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Well sorry, but a former goalie by the name of Kelly Hrudey also made the claim the Flames essentially missed the playoffs last year because of the horrendous start by Hamilton. It was plain as day to me too.

Go ahead and think goaltending was the major problem. This team sent Ramo to the minors, and he was by far our best goalie. I also think Ramo is as good or better than Elliott or Johnston. Johnston I think has a bigger upside than all of them.

It's Johnson by the way, but thanks for playing.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Well sorry, but a former goalie by the name of Kelly Hrudey also made the claim the Flames essentially missed the playoffs last year because of the horrendous start by Hamilton. It was plain as day to me too.

Go ahead and think goaltending was the major problem. This team sent Ramo to the minors, and he was by far our best goalie. I also think Ramo is as good or better than Elliott or Johnston. Johnston I think has a bigger upside than all of them.

Ramo is no where near anywhere as good as Elliott or Johnson. I was a huge Ramo fan but he had some major holes in his game. Hamilton was the least of the flames problem last year. Goaltending, Horrendous special teams, abysmal road record are way above the play of Dougie Hamilton. No player in the NHL has the impact to make a team miss the playoffs.

[timbit]

Hamilton, as a 22 year old 6'5 D was 22nd in D scoring last season, 16th in goals.
Nobody played less minutes than him that finished in the top 40.

Has he got some work to do defensively? Absolutely.

However, 6 5 D with his offensive skills do not grow on trees.

Trouba is not even close to being at Hamiltons skill level and he lacks vision.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Well sorry, but a former goalie by the name of Kelly Hrudey also made the claim the Flames essentially missed the playoffs last year because of the horrendous start by Hamilton. It was plain as day to me too.

Go ahead and think goaltending was the major problem. This team sent Ramo to the minors, and he was by far our best goalie. I also think Ramo is as good or better than Elliott or Johnston. Johnston I think has a bigger upside than all of them.

When was this? I honestly don't remember him ever saying that.

[Enoch Root]

ffs, make it stop

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

No it's not. Posters on CP do not ''define'' what the asking price is, as fans are always wrong when it comes to estimating a players' worth.

Clearly a few posters on this site have a mandate to make Hamilton the whipping boy. I refuse to buy in.

He needs to be better. Bottom line. And until he starts living up to his name and contract i think its more than fair to expect more from him. I personally believe the flames as a team will be better with a hamilton for trouba trade. Doesnt mean i hate the flames, me and 3 friends actually are making a 6 hour drive saturday to come watch our team play.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

I would endorse this trade if it could get done, even if we lose a pick or another prospect to get it done.

[saillias]

your appeal to authority is not impressive.

Kelly Hrudey on air says lots of things, little of it is worth quoting