Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2016 - Round 8

[Strange Brew]

Went with Spoon. Knock seems to be he has a low ceiling which is possible, or maybe like other prospects we don't know his ceiling yet.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Glad to see Poirer back in the conversation. I remember being incredibly excited for that pick (after I got over Feaster's 3 for 1 offer being rejected.. I was really wanting to land Mackinnon), and I'm hoping that his speed and reputation as a pest translate and make an impact sooner than later.

Could see Tkachuk-Bennett-Poirer being an extremely tough to contain (or escape) group in the near future.


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[Vulcan]

Voted for Wotherspoon. He's NHL ready as long as he comes to camp with the right attitude. I thought he had a better World Juniors than Hickey did when comparing the two players at the same stage. It would be great if he's reunited with Hamilton on the second pairing but I don't see that happening right away, still he gets points for his size and NHL readiness.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I went with Poirier over Mangiapane because not only was Poirier a successful junior player and 1st round pick, he has a good year in the AHL under his belt. I feel too many people are holding last year against him while giving the the benefit of the doubt to a player drafted in the 6th round, who was previously passed over in the draft, and only has his OHL resume to prop him up. Don't get me wrong, I like Magniapane, but he is much more of a long shot to play in the NHL than Poirier. The ceiling of both players is top 6 forward (probably equally low likelihood of becoming that), but Poirier has a chance to be a bottom 6 forward while Mangiapane doesn't really IMO.

huh.

Not sure where you came up with this but Mangiapane is not a top-6--or-bust prospect. When you're 5'10 and Brian Burke is saying he thinks you're gonna be an NHLer, that's generally a sign that he could well end up a Byron/Cogliano type bottom sixer if he doesn't his ceiling, which I equate to Mike Cammeleri.

[FlameZilla]

Poirier is coming off a relatively poor season but I'm hoping he comes into camp with extra motivation. I got the impression he was lacking in the hunger department last season, but with a new coaching regime dangling the carrot of a full time NHL job he could return to his feisty, all-out best.

He'll be battling it out with Tkachuk & Shinkaruk for a spot in the top 9, and with his physical gifts he could very well be the one who makes the cut.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I feel like Tyler Wotherspoon is undervalued.

That said, some of the choices being made here are hard to argue with. Good problem to have because I feel like these are all NHLers up to this point.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

huh.

Not sure where you came up with this but Mangiapane is not a boom-or-bust prospect. When you're 5'10 and Brian Burke is saying he thinks you're gonna be an NHLer, that's generally a sign that he could well end up a Byron/Cogliano type bottom sixer if he doesn't his ceiling, which I equate to Mike Cammeleri.

Perhaps, but I don't see him filling that role with this team (3rd/4th liner). There's so much competition for those spots, I don't see him winning one here for the foreseeable future. I think if he makes it here, it's because he develops into a Marchand or a Gallagher, not a Byron.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I feel like Tyler Wotherspoon is undervalued.

That said, some of the choices being made here are hard to argue with. Good problem to have because I feel like these are all NHLers up to this point.

Spoon is another one who Hartley seemed to have reservations about using. Could this new coaching regime be a new lease on life for him?

You've gotta think it's now or never for TSpoon.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I like wotherspoon, but he's getting a little long in the tooth for a prospect. That's why some guys are passing him in the rankings. In the end it doesn't really mean anything. Fan rankings aren't worth a lot to a franchise.

[Willi Plett]

Wow, a close 2 horse race!

I voted Pribyl because I prefer to vote for the player that I think may make the NHL the soonest. To me Poirier took a big step back and has a lot to prove in the AHL first. Mangiapane has to show he can make the next step. Pribyl in the same group but has played at a high level vs "men" which to me gives him better odds.

That said, I wish on these close ones we had a runoff vote with the 2-3 close candidates.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Mangiapane's and Poirier's three Juniour seasons are not exactly equivalent. Poirier did not turn 19-years-old until the mid-point of his last season in the QMJHL, and as a 19/20-year old was a 0.8 points/game-scoring rookie in the AHL. I would consider Mangiapane's 2014/15 season more comparable to Poirier's 2013/14 season, which means that his 2013/14 season is more closely comparable to Poirier's 2012/13 season in which he under-scored Poirier.

I would say their Juniour numbers are fairly close overall, but Poirier's excellent rookie professional season trumps all that Mangiapane has accomplished to this point.

I don't agree with this analysis in this case. I understand that Mangiapane is older vs his draft class than Poirier and that Poirier therefor entered junior at a younger age. I also understand that additional age allows for added growth, weight,etc. But Poirier is by far the bigger of the two. Mangiapane has played consistently as a smaller, lighter player compared to his peers. Also, he was a late bloomer, so his skills ripened later. To me it is totally fair to match their first three Junior seasons up with one another and Mangiapane quite considerably outscores Poirier. Even if you don't do that, the fact remains that Mangiapane topped 100 points twice in Junior and Poirier never did it.

Furthermore, I don't think Poirier's career as a pro is that exceptional. He had a decent rookie season that showed promise, but followed that up with a very underwhelming season. To me, that does not warrant rating him higher than a prospect who is a late bloomer with less physical attributes who put up considerably better numbers in the lower league.

I think it is totally fair to say that Poirier has better physical attributes to succeed in pro and therefor should be ranked higher. I can totally understand someone making that argument. But based on their record, I think Mangiapane is a more exciting prospect, and I don't think that Poirier's one decent AHL season trumps two >100 seasons in Barrie.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Mangiapane's and Poirier's three Juniour seasons are not exactly equivalent. Poirier did not turn 19-years-old until the mid-point of his last season in the QMJHL, and as a 19/20-year old was a 0.8 points/game-scoring rookie in the AHL. I would consider Mangiapane's 2014/15 season more comparable to Poirier's 2013/14 season, which means that his 2013/14 season is more closely comparable to Poirier's 2012/13 season in which he under-scored Poirier.

I would say their Juniour numbers are fairly close overall, but Poirier's excellent rookie professional season trumps all that Mangiapane has accomplished to this point.

Except Poirier's excellent rookie pro season was not his most recent season. And for a prospect, the most current season counts for so much unless there is an injury IMO.

Poirier certainly might bounce back but any assessment of his potential needs to take his underwhelming most recent season into account.

[Enoch Root]

wow, time for round 9 and still a dead heat

[Bingo]

our first run off ...

Prybil, Kulak and Wotherspoon voters will have their say!